May 1, 2013
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More crap from our crap government
How much more of this are we going to have to take, and why is our government working so hard to destroy freedom in this country?
So now soldiers can be court martialed for talking about God? Since when did the first ammendment cease to apply to the military? This is a clear violation of the first ammendment, and a clear case of the government impenging upon freedom of religion. Warning: I’m about to get snarky. Listen, I don’t care how badly bunched up the left’s panties get. I couldn’t care less how badly you get offended by God, Christianity, freedom of speech, or “religion.” Boo freakin hoo. Cry me a river with those fake tears. We have to listen to left wing garbage all the time. All the time we are bombarded with anti-American hate, anti-Christian hate, anti-white hate, anti-male hate, anti-family propaganda, and a whole slew of other ridiculous things ranging from demands to pay for the indescretions of others to commands on how to raise our kids. Then they want to turn around and legally muzzle us. I’m sick to death of it. If you don’t like what someone has to say, don’t listen. You guys are good at plugging your ears anyways. Our freedom of speech does not end where your feelings begin. If your feelings are so bloody overwhelming that you can’t think straight then it’s time to learn not to have them, or go isolate yourself and cry under a rock.
I have been saying it for a long time. The left is also going after the 1st ammendment. Part of the reason why they want to kill the 2nd ammendment is so that they can polish off the 1st. I don’t know why SOME politicians are saying that the Dems would be upset if someone attacked the 1st ammendment the way they are attacking the 2nd, because they ARE attacking the 1st ammendment.
No Christian should ever vote for Obama or any other Democrat, ever. You have to be brain damaged and/or retarded in order to be Christian and a Democrat supporter. I don’t understand Jewish people voting for Democrats either. A Jew voting for a Democrat would be like a Jew voting for Hitler or Stalin. If you are Christian and/or Jewish, the get your head up out of the sand and start paying attention to what is going on in this world. Wake up already and smell the garbage. If you’re too lazy to get your head up out of the sand, then do us all a favor and stay as far away from the ballot box as possible. Once freedoms are lost they are very difficult to recover without revolution, and revolution is never a guaranteed success.
Comments (60)
As with everything you post it took some digging to get past the lies and to the actual truth. What the rules in question actually state are, and I quote:
“Leaders at all levels must avoid the actual or
apparent use of their position to promote their personal religious
beliefs to their subordinates or to extend preferential treatment for
any religion.”
In other words abusing your position to evangelize to or harass or discriminate against those under you is not allowed.
Once again christians think persecution means not being allowed to persecute everyone else. This hogwash about “mentioning jesus to a friend is against the law now!” is just that, hogwash. Another word for it is lies.
Stop repeating lies. The world is full of enough of them.
You give up alot of freedoms when you enter the military. How it goes.
The 1st ammendment is the 1st thing you give up. You WILL be disciplined if you talk back to your superior.
with @agnophilo - You are a lying sack of shit. Thou Shall not Bear False Witness??
Pathetic.
Devoid of an ounce of Principal whatsoever.
@agnophilo - Uh huh, link me to your source.
@tendollar4ways - Insubordination is not tolerated in any job. If I smart off to my boss he can fire me too. That doesn’t mean you lose your freedom of expression when it comes to matters of religion and personal belief. This is a new leaf that is being turned over, and not at all a good one.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Would you be OK with a Musim superior forcing those in his cammand to listen to him talk about how great Allah is ? How about an Atheist telling those under him constantly how Christianity is fairy tales?
You are EXACTLY like those Muslims you hate so much.
This ain’t Qatar homey.
It is strange to see you standing up for the Muslims who don’t want to have to shave their beards and wear turbans in the service. We all know their freedom of expression and religion is protected in the Military!
The reason US military forces have been so successful is because God has marched with them.
We saw God sacked from US society and the military back in the 60′s. Then came the Democrat debacle of Viet Nam. After 10 years, a nearly Stone Age Viet Nam ground down and tore US forces a new asshole on the field of battle.
Then in the late 70′s another blithering incompetent Democrat became President. Good ol’ Jimmy Carter. He marched the US military right of a cliff and the USSR nearly took over the world.
One thing about living long enough is that you see the same stupidity repeat itself. And the sanctimonious liberals still think that institutionalized, ingrained stupidity is going to bring world peace.
@tendollar4ways - The Christian and the Muslim both believe in the same God. And if atheists had any brains they could deduce “the Laws of Nature and Nature’s God.”
There is absolutely nothing wrong with military men invoking God.
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - I have to disagree. I do not think it would be conducive to the military’s unity and effectiveness to have Muslim Officers forcing their subordinates to listen to sermons about Allah, read the Koran or god forbid pray 5 times a day.
Religion is devise and such devisiveness can create division and reduce moral and cohessiveness.
The Military is not a Mosque and it’s purpose isn’t to spread religion or stamp out religion for that matter either.
@tendollar4ways - He’s not generally honest, but to his credit he is repeating lies, not generating them.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Gladly, (Source). Note also that the article goes on to cite an instance where the atheist freedom from religion guy demonized in your links got an atheist soldier to remove an offensive anti-christian bumper sticker from his vehicle. Separation of church and state swings both ways.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - And you won’t get fired or repremanded at most jobs for evangelizing to the customers or your subordinates? If anything in the military the stakes are higher because (as the article I linked to describes) one instance was an officer preaching militantly to arab soldiers, which gives the impression that our military is a christian organization invading islamic states, which makes our soldiers more of a target. The fact that the military is a secular organization actually lends to it’s credibility in some circumstances and keeps our soldiers safe.
@agnophilo - I am pretty sure he is more than aware of the fact he is being dishonest principaless peice of shit…much like the Brietbart Scumbags.
Once again our faithful td4w is resorting to name-calling and filth. That’s HIS MO
@quest4god@revelife - Liars for Jesus!!! Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor…..unless you do it for Jesus then Lie your ass off !!!!
You guys have the weirdest religion EVAR!!!!
@tendollar4ways - Military officers preach values to their subordinates, not worship. Christians, Muslims and Jews have the same values and the same author of the those values: God.
@tendollar4ways - Liars follow the golden rule too – they lie to themselves as much as they lie to others.
@quest4god@revelife - But calling liberals and democrats evil, hate-filled traitors based on something totally fabricated out of thin air is fine?
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - I am sure @Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - agrees with you that each American soldier should be issued a Koran along with a prayer rug along with his rifle and canteen.
@tendollar4ways - I thought you were a Christian?
@Facetiouseloquence - I am not Christian. I am not religious. That being said….I think any atheistic Superior who would prosthelytize anti-religious sentiments to his subordinated should be disciplined and it shouldn’t be tolerated.
@tendollar4ways - George Washington prohibited cursing in his Continental Army because he felt it was offensive to God. God and the US military go good together and they have since the Founding of the nation.
@tendollar4ways - I could have sworn I saw you putting down Atheists for not being religious in the past. Make sure to contain consistency in your insults. (;
@Facetiouseloquence - I am prone to sarcastic hyperbole ourbursts. I also don’t always say what I mean in plain english…However, I am consistent….you just need to read between the lines sometimes.
@tendollar4ways - How have I borne false witness against you? Your definition of Christianity has no basis in fact, but is your own bias and hatred being expressed. I really do dislike profanity on Xanga.
@quest4god@revelife - This post references bold faced lies…then it goes into more lies all for the promotion of Jesus. You come in and call me a name caller you name caller you.
I must assume you are AKO with the lying for Jesus and this is morally appropriate behavior for those of your religion.
I assume bearing false witness against thy neighbor is a fancy pants way of saying lying….but your are right. I am not Christian and perhaps lying is OK for you guys and it appears to be from the Brietbart bullcrap, to the poster bs and now your bs.
As I said…..weird weird religion you guys follow.
@quest4god@revelife - This got me thinking some more and since lying is soooo acceptable and pretty much how you guys roll. What is to say anything about you or your religion is true?
Lying is so accepted who is to know who is lying and who is not…who was lying or who wasn’t? Moses….Paul….Jesus himself?
The writers of the Bible? I mean …..since lying is so accepted and so commonplace who is to know what is true or what is not?
I am being 100 percent serious right now and not being silly. This is a question I would like to know your answer.
You are free to call me a name…but that too will answer my question.
@agnophilo - OK, first of all, the article you linked me to only substantiates what was said in the article I put here in the first place, it even mentions the court martial. You seem to have a knee-jerk reflex of calling your opponents liars. You really need to work on breaking that.
Claiming that proslytzation is on par with sexual harrassment and calling it “spiritual rape” does not make it so. The reason that our military has always had chaplins was to provide a valuable service to the men who serve, and it has always been a major part of our culture. It was never considered a violation of work place ethics or the Constitution, even when the founders were still alive, and there is no valid case for classifying it a such today. This man is 100% out of step with the founders. The fact is the left is just trying to gain more ground. They are following the old Soviet tactic of taking “two steps forward and one step back.”
From the article you sent:
‘Weinstein told me after the Pentagon meeting that military leaders need to understand that “there is systematic misogyny, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia in the military.” He said it is all part of the same culture.
“This is a national security threat. What is happening [aside from sexual assault] is spiritual rape. And what the Pentagon needs to understand is that it is sedition and treason. It should be punished.”’
–If you are going to call me a liar or state that my source is incorrect then you need to provide evidence, and this corroborates exactly what I was saying. If they do follow this man’s reccomendations then they will be court martialing people in the military for sharing their faith. From this comment you can see what an out of control left wing nutter this guy is, and like the majority of leftists he overtly contradicts himself. One cannot be conerned about both anti-semitism and islamophobia, when Islam is hardcare anti-semitic.
Also that Weinstein guy is overtly anti-Christian, and the fact that Obama associates with people like that just goes to further illustrate what sort of person Obama is.
A few other things:
You do realize that Afghans are not Arabs yes? I know it may seem pedantic to pick on that but statements like that indicte a general lack of awareness.
Chaplins are there to sermonize, it is an essential part of their function. The fact that some libtards don’t like it doesn’t make it un-Constitutional or on par with rape. If you don’t want to hear their sermon then don’t listen.
The fact that they came up with one example where this guy went after an atheist does not undermine anything I have said here or anything that was mentioned in my article. It is not pertinent. Also, I don’t care what sort of bumper sticker someone has on their personal vehicle. Yes it was prickish of him to have the sticker, but it was also prickish of the guy to complain about it. Freedom of speech is more important than protecting anyone’s feelings.
@tendollar4ways - Wait, did you call me unprincipled?
@tendollar4ways - I am 100% against Muslims being here under any circumstance, so any talk about their positon in our society is purely academic.
They aren’t talking about superior officers forcing you to sit and listen to them preach about something you find objectionable, they are talking about ALL proslytizing, including chaplains. This sort of thing is unprecedented.
Chaplains were always a part of the army. They provide a valuable service, which is helping the men prepare for the possibility of death. Regardless of whether you believe or not, this is the sort of thing that brings soldiers peace of mind. If the founding fathers had a problem with it they could have nipped it in the bud, but my experience is that all this whining and complaining is new. It’s just part of the crest in the growing wave of the anti-Christian movement. It’s telling that it’s a left wing civilian activist campaining for this change rather than a grass roots military movement. Obama and his ilk force “reforms” on them from the outside, and then wonder why the military seems to be having a hiccup.
Also, check out Agnophilos documentation before you start chirping ‘liar’ like some kind of parrot in a shop.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
“OK, first of all, the article you linked
me to only substantiates what was said in the article I put here in the
first place, it even mentions the court martial.”
My article quotes the actual rules in question which forbid abusing one’s authority to evangelize to one’s subordinates against their will. Your article says that having a friendly conversation about jesus is criminal offense. Your article is making shit up.
“You seem to have a
knee-jerk reflex of calling your opponents liars.”
I didn’t call you a liar, I said that you are repeating lies, which you are.
“Claiming that proslytzation is on
par with sexual harrassment and calling it “spiritual rape” does not
make it so.”
The dictionary definition of rape:
1. the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse. 2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person. 3. statutory rape. 4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside. 5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
Obviously they’re not saying it is literal sexual rape so ignore definitions 1-3. Forcing someone to be evangelized to against their will on pain of court martial (disobeying an order is a crime in the military) I think definitely qualifies as abuse, despoliation and violation. You agree with me actually. Or rather you would if it were christians who were being forced to watch anti-bible materials or listen to richard dawkins lectures.
“The reason that our military has always had chaplins was to
provide a valuable service to the men who serve, and it has always been
a major part of our culture. It was never considered a violation of
work place ethics or the Constitution, even when the founders were still
alive, and there is no valid case for classifying it a such today.”
I agree entirely. No one is doing that. Again they’re not getting rid of chaplains, they’re just not allowing them to abuse their rank to force their religious beliefs onto their subordinates or show preference based on someone’s religion.
“This man is 100% out of step with the founders.”
Really?
“To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.”
- Thomas Jefferson
He is “only out of touch” with the founders as you selectively choose to remember them.
“The fact is the left
is just trying to gain more ground. They are following the old Soviet
tactic of taking “two steps forward and one step back.”
The idea that everyone you don’t like all goes to the same meetings and belongs to the same club and is plotting against you is paranoid and insane. This is a communist plot? Are you kidding me? Based on what?
“From the article you sent: ‘Weinstein
told me after the Pentagon meeting that military leaders need to
understand that “there is systematic misogyny, anti-Semitism and
Islamophobia in the military.” He said it is all part of the same
culture. This is a national security threat. What is
happening [aside from sexual assault] is spiritual rape. And what the
Pentagon needs to understand is that it is sedition and treason. It
should be punished.”’ If you are going to call me a liar or
state that my source is incorrect then you need to provide evidence, and
this corroborates exactly what I was saying.”
What I took issue with was not the opinions of one guy, I don’t care what he thinks. What I took issue with was the claim that the army is outlawing any mention of god and persecuting christians, a claim which is totally unfounded and is based on distorting the actual facts.
“If they do follow this
man’s reccomendations then they will be court martialing people in the
military for sharing their faith.”
I’m sure they already do, the same reason people are fired every day for bringing up politics or religion in the workplace. If you want to evangelize do it on your own time, but to preach to a captive audience or people who are subordinate to you is an abuse and ought to be punished. And this is true regardless of whether they’re pushing the bible or the koran or atheism.
“From this comment you can see what an
out of control left wing nutter this guy is, and like the majority of
leftists he overtly contradicts himself. One cannot be conerned about
both anti-semitism and islamophobia, when Islam is hardcare
anti-semitic.”
Christianity has the KKK and the holocaust in it’s recent history/present, to label islam as anti-semitic is no less valid than labeling christianity as anti-semitic (meaning both are overreaching, unfair generalizations.)
“Also that Weinstein guy is overtly
anti-Christian, and the fact that Obama associates with people like that
just goes to further illustrate what sort of person Obama is.”
Again you’re acting like obama was even at the meeting. A president appoints people who make decisions, obama doesn’t go around stamping every form and doing every job in the executive branch and the armed services personally. That you think obama and this atheist guy are BFFs shows that you either don’t get how the government works or you just think in terms of “those people are all the same” (which I already know you do).
“A few other things: You
do realize that Afghans are not Arabs yes? I know it may seem
pedantic to pick on that but statements like that indicte a general lack
of awareness.”
Yes, it does seem pedantic. It’s a valid criticism and I should’ve chosen my words more carefully but you know what I was saying and didn’t address it.
“Chaplins are there to sermonize, it is an
essential part of their function.”
TO CHRISTIANS, not to hassle everyone else.
“The fact that some libtards don’t
like it doesn’t make it un-Constitutional or on par with rape.”
I haven’t resorted to name calling or generalizations, do you have to be a douchebag? And of course it’s unconstitutional to force someone to attend a religious service or be evangelized to. If christians were being forced to listen to lectures about how christianity is bullshit you would scream “unconstitutional” in a heartbeat.
“If you
don’t want to hear their sermon then don’t listen.”
So you don’t think it’s a violation of peoples’ religious freedom to force them to go to church? What about forcing them to attend a mosque?
“The fact
that they came up with one example where this guy went after an atheist
does not undermine anything I have said here or anything that was
mentioned in my article.”
It undermines your characterization of it as a communist plot to destroy religion when the rules are being applied and enforced in both directions.
“It is not pertinent. Also, I don’t care what
sort of bumper sticker someone has on their personal vehicle. Yes it
was prickish of him to have the sticker, but it was also prickish of the
guy to complain about it. Freedom of speech is more important than
protecting anyone’s feelings.”
And the military code of conduct is more important than the freedom to be a prick to your fellow soldiers. Soldiers and especially officers are held to a higher standard, the same way people are held to a higher standard in a workplace. I could walk down main street with a t-shirt that says “I fucked your mother last night”. I have the constitutional right to do that. And a boss has the right to fire my ass for showing up to work wearing it and a superior officer has the right to punish me for even being out of uniform, let alone being a piece of shit.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - You pretty much demonstrate you lack any principals whatsoever. I think there is a good chance you are a sociopath.
You claim revere the Constitution then state Muslims shouldn’t be allowed into America and what with those who are? Round um up, put them into camps and gas um???
You present Christians as the victim when the reality they are the aggressors trying to aggresively convert others to their borg. You could give two fucks about the militarys efficiencey and wish to turn it into your own political/religious insitution.
You claim the military will allow Chaplins but the military also has outlawed Christianity. You are not a stupid person….just a sociopathic, lying peice of shit.
Chaplans shouldn’t be allowed to prosthelytize….but you know this and you don’t care….you have no principlals.
@tendollar4ways - This comment is heavily convoluted, but I’m going to try to respond anyways.
I have Biblical principles, you have your personal feelings. My values are concrete whereas yours are whimsical and self centered. I haven’t aggressively tried to convert anyone, and ratio of me trolling or just commenting on your page to you trolling mine is grossly imbalanced. Right now you are the aggressor on my page and I am defending my turf. If you can’t stand what I have to say, don’t come here and read it. Christianity does not call for forced conversion, nor are we using public education to perpetuate our ideology. You have no room to talk.
Wow, a socialist is comparing me to the Borg? That’s rich. Did you forget that their whole title is actually the BORG COLLECTIVE? The Borg is the ultimate expression of political leftism, even more than Big Brother.
I actually do think you are a person of low intellect, and your dialogue here is a prime example of why. You are entirely driven by emotion, so much so that you decided to blow up my page with hyperbolic rants and claims about what I said, without actually reading the articles being discussed, or referencing anything I actually said. You don’t even know what’s going on here do you? OK, AT PRESENT Chaplains ARE allowed in the US military and have always been there. These libtards are trying to muzzle them and make it a court martial offense for them to do what they have always done. This hasn’t become law yet, but it might beome so soon.
I care a lot more about the efficiency of the military than do you or any other liberal, and I recognize that everything Obama and the left wing civilian acivist groups have ever done is much things up. It’s quite telling that it’s left wing libtards who would never normally consider joining the military that are pushing for all these sorts of things. Obviously their motivation is political rather than altruistic or patriotic. The military has always been largely right wing and patriotic, it is the left which is continually trying to turn it into something else, and there is a reason for that.
They are and always have been allowed to proselytize. I disagree that they should be banned. It’s none of the governments busness whether someone wants to share their religion or change it, even if those people are in the military. This is why I say that liberalism is just as totalitarian and anti-human as Islam
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I have Biblical principles …. LOL…You lie like there is no tomorrow. See above comments on your contempt for honesty. You demonstrate once again with your further responses.
I haven’t aggressively tried to convert anyone, and ratio of me trolling or just commenting on your page to you trolling mine is grossly imbalanced. Right now you are the aggressor on my page and I am defending my turf. If you can’t stand what I have to say, don’t come here and read it. Christianity does not call for forced conversion, nor are we using public education to perpetuate our ideology. You have no room to talk.
This more of your example of twisting reality..This is Xanga…not the military. You have a block button and I go away forever. An apple is not an orange. If Christinaity doesn’t call for forced conversion why are you posting propaganda and lies to promote a government institution’s ability to force Christian views on others? You say you are for one thing…then do the exact opposite.
Christ….the rest of your bullshit is a repackaging of Prayer in Schools basically and you are being oppressed if you cannot oppress others.
The Military is not the place for your Christian Sales pitch. You have a church, you can go door to door hawking Jesus. Pubic Schools are not the place either.
You either know you are a lying kniving sociopath…..or I am wrong and you are a moron and you don’t see your own utter hypocricy and contradictions.
I figure these are what conserves tend to be in this country.
@agnophilo - ”My article quotes the actual rules in question which forbid abusing one’s authority to evangelize to one’s subordinates against their will. Your article says that having a friendly conversation about jesus is criminal offense. Your article is making shit up.”–Alright, quote from my article where it said that, and I will respond appropriately.
We aren’t talking about present rules, we are talking about something that is planned, which is going to muzzle freedom of speech and religion in the military.
They are trying to equate proselytization with rape and sexual harrassment. It’s called being ridiculous. Just because it seems absurdely ridiculous does not simply mean that it is a poor analogy. There are lots of idiotic and insane people in the world who really think that way. I once got into a debate with someone who wanted to make it illegal to say mean things (in general) and to make fun of people. He seriously equated it to physical assault. Not everyone has a properly functioning brain you know.
I agree with Thomas Jefferson, but I don’t see how that quote helps this man’s case, or what the connection is. We aren’t talking about anyone being forced to pay for the funding of propaganda, although if we decide to go that route then much more money is spent on left wing propaganda than anything else.
I said they were using Soviet Methodology, not that it was specifically a communist plot. Although it is a cultural Marxist plot.
No one said anything about a captive audience, and Weinstein didn’t qaulify ending the ban on religious speech when listening is compulsive. Probably because that is already in the laws. That being said, I liked what you said here:
“If you want to evangelize do it on your own time, but to preach to a captive audience or people who are subordinate to you is an abuse and ought to be punished. And this is true regardless of whether they’re pushing the bible or the koran or atheism.”–I guess it’s time to shut down the public schools then.
Obama regularly appoints extremist nutters, so that should indicate that he is also one.
“It undermines your characterization of it as a communist plot to destroy religion when the rules are being applied and enforced in both directions.”–No, it just means that they are trying to be less obvious. Whether they ban certain types of religious speech or all types at the end of they day they have still silenced all potential opposition to the statist view.
The analogy would valid if the situations were analogous. The fact that you don’t like Christianity does not automatically make it on par with inflammatory sexual references (and you doubted they were serious with their rape analogy). But alright, if a superior is forcing someone to sit there and listen to a conversion speech, then yes that is wrong and probably already against the rules. However, if one is sharing their views in a voluntary meeting then that is entirely different.
@tendollar4ways - I could block you, but that has no bearing on the fact that no one is forcing you to come here, or that you are behaving aggressively. You can be as much of an ass here as you want, I’m just trying to help you make cogent points.
“ If Christinaity doesn’t call for forced conversion”–It doesn’t, and until you point to some scriptural basis for that accusation then the accusation is invalid.
” why are you posting propaganda and lies to promote a government institution’s ability to force Christian views on others? You say you are for one thing…then do the exact opposite.”–Quote me where I said that I wanted to use a government institution to force any particular view on people. If I said it you should be able to find it. You can copy paste it into your response. Ready… go.
How did public schools come into this and what do you mean by prayer in public schools? Prayer is protected under freedom of speech. There shouldn’t be compulsury prayer, but students have the right to pray in schools, and the Constituion backs that up.
Freedom of speech does not end because someone is in the military and some libtard who would never serve anyways takes offense to it.
I try my best to explain things as thoroughly as possible. I you fail to understand you can ask for clarification, and there is no shame in that, but you always ASSUME that you know what I’m saying, even though the things you mentioned have jack all to do with anything I said and you can never back up your claims with quotes from me. EIther that or it is all an act for the purpose of being irritating, which is illogical. Honestly it’s hard to tell with liberals, because liberalism is so thoroughly rife with contradictions.
@agnophilo - How careless of me, I meant to address this but let it slip:
“Christianity has the KKK and the holocaust in it’s recent history/present, to label islam as anti-semitic is no less valid than labeling christianity as anti-semitic (meaning both are overreaching, unfair generalizations.)”
–Do you honestly believe that those things are attributable to Christianity or is this an attempt at being insulting? The Nazis were evolutionists, statists, and eugenecists. If you take away the eugenecist aspect then they have very much in common with the modern left. If you want to know what Hitler believed you need only read his book. The Nazis were trying to accelerate human evolution. They were very big into natural selection and were willing to help it along with force.
As for the KKK, you do realize that they have a history of burning churches and burning crosses yes? I think what we have here is a case of mistaken identity. Jesus dealt with this issue when he ws accused of using the power of Satan to cast out demons. He explained to his detractors that a house divided against itself cannot stand. Meaning that usually when people are on the same team they don’t attack each other. Also can you find any BIblical passages that call for that sort of behavior? How about for Nazism.
Now, finding stuff in the Koran calling for the killing and persecution of Jews (and non-believers in general), is not at all difficult. They are actively at war with the Jews now. Look at Hamas. Also look at how hostile Aljazeera is toward Jews.
@quest4god@revelife - Don’t let him irritate you too much. He may actually be a conservative trying to parody liberals in order to make them look stupid and disagreable. I just respond to him for rhetorical purposes. You can’t really reach people like that with logic and facts.
@tendollar4ways - The one thing that my “religion” does that seems to escape you is to admit that we, though born-again followers of Jesus, are still in the flesh. That doesn’t mean that we should give in to any and every sinful thought or temptation, but it does mean that we are not, as you seem to be regarding Christians, holding ourselves to be above the nonChristian. If it were not for sin, Jesus would never have come to this earth to be our substitute and to atone for sin. I do not deny that I have greatly needed His forgiveness through His death on the cross for me.
You have concocted a false and hate-skewed version of Christianity, fraught with accusations and allegations that Jesus’ followers are the worst of the human race; and then you pretend that your representation is the actual thing. The greatest share of hate words are those perpetrated by the haters of Christians, Jesus, God and the Bible.
@quest4god@revelife - I didn’t say you hold yourselves above non-christians. I think I said quite the opposite. Rex here assumes because he is Christian and beleives in Jesus he thinks can do what he pleases (lie his ass off) as Jesus is a get out of jail free card or…do as you please card. Lying is acceptable.
Not all Christians are like this. Many are not. However A great deal of Conservative ones are though.
Read Rex’s BS. That is what I am talking about. He lies without remorse and one must assume Jesus plays in this somewhere.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Quote me where I said that I wanted to use a government institution to force any particular view on people.
Outta one side of your mouth….then outta the other….They aren’t talking about superior officers forcing you to sit and listen to them preach about something you find objectionable, they are talking about ALL proslytizing, including chaplains. This sort of thing is unprecedented.
So in otherwords….You are not for a government institution to force any particular view, except for the Army and they must have Chaplins that are allowed to Prothelytise troops as they always have been and to try and stop this you go insane and lie and post a bunch of dishonest contradictory shit to make sure Christian Chaplins can shove Jesus up every soldiers ass.
Do you know the meaning of the word Prosthelytize? You have a block button when you have had enough of my shit. What you are arguing for is to take the Leave me the fuck alone button away from soldiers who dont’ wanna hear other peoples shit.
Forcing them to hear Christians sales pitch.
Moron or Sociopath. You are one or the other.
@quest4god@revelife - And by the way, you are missing it. It isn’t Christianity I take issue with….it is the dishonesty. Rex uses his Christianity to somehow excuse his lying. This is not a condemnation of Christianity…but of dishonesty.
Hey…I am not Christian. No skin off my back he uses Jesus to validate his lies. You however as a Christian comming to his aid and defending for the mear fact he invokes Jesus name is strange to me.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Oh…and on the Nazi Stuff…..you sound a whole lot like them.
You replace Jew with Muslim but…..same shit.
No you are not a Nazi. Nazis were Nazis.
You are a Conservative Christian and you folks are making a name for yourselves in your own right.
@tendollar4ways - It seems that nothing anyone can say will get you off the offensive; so I’ll quit trying to get you to relent. If you say you have no sin, you yourself are a liar. I guess you feel you have the right to throw stones, and indict without suffering recompense for it.
@tendollar4ways - No, I don’t care about your “otherwords.” Either you can provide a quote where I called for the use of force, or you can’t, and apparently you can’t. I have been very plain so far. They have the freedom to share their faith, and you have the freedom not to listen, to not attend their meetings, and to tell them to bugger off. Freedom of speech goes both ways. This garbage this nutter is producing is a attempt to muzzle freedom of speech AND religion. Their freedom to talk about their religion and share it is protected by the first ammendment.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
You liberals like the first part a lot “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” even though you don’t really understand it, but then you ignore this part: “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
@tendollar4ways - The funny thing about that analogy is that if I were alive during the early 40′s I wouldn’t be wanting German immigrants coming here if they were openly loyal to Hitler and espoused the Nazi ideology. They were the enemy, and letting an active Nazi into the US would have been danerous. The same is true of Islam, which is so much worse than Nazism.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - You forfiet many rights when you enter the military….we have been over this.
@quest4god@revelife - Hey….I ain’t perfect but ain’t saying the BS you boy Rex here is
Islam is worse than Nazism?
Should we round um up, put um in camps and Gas um??
@tendollar4ways - The ability to talk about your faith and personal beliefs is not something that one loses when joining the military, nor has it ever been. The Constitution does not qualify the first ammendment by saying ”except when in the military.” You are wanting things to be there that aren’t there. This ugly situation is something new, and I oppose it, so there we are.
We can get rid of them by taking a similar approach that contemporary Japan is taking to unwanted immigrants, and of course banning any more of them from coming goes without saying.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - There is a difference between “talking about ones faith” and proselytizing. I quoted you above and italics were your words where you said you supported proselytizing in the army.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Goldman v. Weinberger
From the That Liberal Commie Socialist Judge Rhenquist:
The Court asserts that deference should be given to the
professional judgment of military authorities. These officials are not
constitutionally required to abandon their professional judgment. The military
is a “specialized society separate from civilian society” and “to accomplish its
mission the military must foster instinctive obedience, unity, commitment, and
esprit de corps.” Rather than give priority to their own beliefs, individuals in
the military are to subordinate their own desires to the needs of the service.
One of the ways the military creates this cohesiveness is by requiring
servicemen to maintain uniform visibility. The First Amendment does not require
the military to accommodate all religious views, nor does it preclude the
uniform regulation.
Sociopath or Moron.
(Or a troll
@tendollar4ways - And there is a difference between proselytizing and the use of force.
Troll it is I see.
@tendollar4ways - That still does not address the issue we are talking about here, and just because a SC judge rules on something does not mean their ruling is correct or in keeping with the Constitution. The issue you mentioned appeares to be in reference to uniforms. Again, this is a bad law that is attempting to be shoved on the military by left wing activists. Whether you hate Christianity or you incorrectly believe that force is a component of proslytization, is irrelevant. Freedom of religion is a Constitutionally protected freedom.
You do understand that the Chaplains are regular servicemen correct?
@tendollar4ways - This is my page, so that makes you the troll, and as for those other things, you need to work on your reading comprehension, how to respond with counterpoints, and increase your general understanding of issues before such insults will carry any weight coming from you.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - The Supreme Court ruled correctly in this instance and perhaps you are not a troll but simply a moron. Rehnquist was a very conservative judge in the Mold of Scalia and he wrote the majority opinion in the decision I posted.
The same opinion holds true for a bunch of overvealous religious zealots.
The law is absolutely correct and consitutional.
@tendollar4ways - This is my page, which makes you the troll. Again, you have completely failed to address any of my points (what do you think that makes you?). Let me make it even simpler for you.
1. That ruling has jack all to do with these proposed laws (and I want to see your source).
2. We aren’t talking about mandatory services or listening, we are talking about an attempt to muzzle all religious speech.
3. Chaplains are regular servicemen, they are not paid to preach.
4. The law hasn’t been ruled on, and it’s not Constitutional.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
1. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=475&invol=503
This has everything to do with this law. Precedence is the basis of our common law legal system.
2. Irrelevant.
3. Irrelevant
4. It has, precedence….#1.
@tendollar4ways - That’s talking about uniform requirements, which has jack all to do with this issue at hand.
It’s not irrelevant, and your calling it such does not make it so. You claimed that there was force involved here, or that officers were using their positions of authority to force subordinates to listen to religious speech. Neither is the case. This is law is nothing but an attempt to persecute Christians, and the fact that you are going along with these anti-God and anti-freedom nutters just proves that you are one of them and underscores how disdainful you are of freedom and this countries roots. Of course this is to be expected.
Also, this only illustrates what I have been saying all along. The political left and Islam are two sides of the same coin, all about freedom for themselves but not for anyone else. Both ideologies are equally oppressive, statist/controlling, and anti-human.
The Uniform is speech jaskass.
@tendollar4ways - Keep stretching, and maybe someday you will actually reach something.