@saturnnights - If we bombed Israel they would celebrate for a while, and then go back to hating us because we are infidels.  It would be a really short honeymoon phase.

@Amandascowen - Well, as I stated in the entry, I was talking specifically about the politicians themselves, which is what I always mean when I say “Democrats” or “Republicans.”  So unless you are a politician, you aren’t included in that.

Nothing wrong with Middle Easterners or dating one.  Some of those women are smoking hot (when they aren’t wrapped in a stupid ninja costume), and maybe that carries over to the men but I couldn’t say.  My problem is entirely with Islam, and you know most of the worlds Muslims are not Middle Eastern.

If you hate Israel then there’s nothing I can do.  But if you had to go visit the Middle East Israel is the safest place to go.  You would be a lot safer walking around Israel without a hijab on then Syria or Egypt, and of course walking around without a hijab is completely illegal in Iran and Saudi Arabia, even for foriegners.

@Celestial_Teapot - Even IF all they were carrying was food (which I don’t believe), the fact is they were aiding and abetting terrorists.  I don’t buy all that talk about humanitarian aid. There are much larger groups in other parts of the world, in far worse situations, which are NOT self inflicted, and I don’t see liberals and Muslims gushing over them.  The only reason they gush over the Fakestinians is because they are set against the Jews.

@Celestial_Teapot - The reason the blockade was created was to prevent weapons from being run into Gaza.  If you read the article I linked to, it states that there were terrorists involved in the blocakde run:

“Among the nine killed aboard the Mavi Marmara were members of the IHH. The Turkish organization calls itself a humanitarian group, but has been accused of involvement in terrorist activities, including by European lawmakers who are pushing to add it to the European Union’s list of terrorist entities.

On May 31, 2010, six ships organized by the Gaza Freedom Flotilla, including the Mavi Marmara, were told they would not be allowed to sail via Israeli territorial waters to Gaza. When the ships didn’t stop, Israeli commandos boarded them, but were attacked on the Mavi Marmara where the IHH activists, armed with iron bars and knives, were clearly prepared for a violent confrontation.”

The “Geneva Convention”?  Are you serious?  In that case you better get after every single Islamic country, most countires in Africa, China, and North Korea.  You think the Muslims care about the Geneva Convention?  You are playing by a different set of rules than they are.

@snarkius - If I went to Gaza the odds are small that I would ever be able to come back in one piece 

Even if they aren’t all zionists (which is Biblical), then that doesn’t change the fact that Israel is THE Jewish country.  You cannot hate on Israel without hating on Jews.

No no, they had a ceasefire and Hamas started firing rockets again.  I blame Islam, just like Islam is at fault for the persecution of Christians in Egypt.  Israel just has more teeth than any of the Middle Eastern-North African Christian minorities do.

@flapper_femme_fatale - At first I wasn’t going to respond to this, but I’m going to go ahead.

The comment was meant for Snarkius, if you look at his comment you will understand the context for my response.

Doesn’t matter of other groups live in Israel.  Israel is THE Jewish country, just like Germany is the German country.  There are other groups in Germany as well, some of which hate Germans (thanks to retarded left wing immigration policies).  If you talk about how Germany is illegitimate, needs to be disbanded, and how the land should be given to other people then you are anti-German.  Comments about other people being there as well are irrelevant.

You already blame Christianity for those things as well as a multitude of other things you dislike, both real and imaginary. 

“either religion is to blame, or it isn’t.  Christianity isn’t magically more immune to evil than Islam.”–I never made a blanket statement about religion.  Lumping together all religions is as foolish as lsaying that all books are the same because they are all books.  If you are illiterate and don’t know anything then such a generalization might be logically valid due to extreme ignorance.  But if you have any level of education and life experience such generalizations should not occur.   Not all religions are the same, in fact each one is different.  Whether any religion is to blame for a particular event depends upon whether that religion calls for that behvior.  Islam calls for killing infidels, so when they kill infidels I blame their religion.  Now if you are going to insist on lumping me in with Muslims on the grounds that we are both “religious” then I am going to demonstrate how you are also religious and I will connect you with various totalitarian groups.

“i also find it funny that you seem upset by how Muslims treat Coptic Christians in Egypt, but not how Jews treat Palestinians in the occupied territories.”–The situations are not even remotely analagous, and your atempt to compare them does not make it so.  The Jews put up with a lot more crap from those people anyone else would.  For example, if China had a neighbor that harrassed them continuously in a similar fashion that neighbor would swiftly cease to exist.  The same is true of any ethnic minorities in China.

@saturnnights - Only two problems with that:

1. Obama can’t do anything useful.

2. The only way they will have peace is if one side wipes out the other, and it it’s Hamas that wins then the Muslim side is still going to be miserable as ever.

@flapper_femme_fatale - Funny, I have a similar rule. 

@flapper_femme_fatale - Yes, the key word being IF.  The fact is they are a mixture of Syrians, Jordanians, and Egyptians, but largely Jordanians. 

I’m not making excuses for anything, I am explaining things to you which should be obvious, which is what I do pretty much every time we talk.  I don’t think you really know much about Christianity or Islam, other than what left wing propagandists have fed you.  Both you and Agnophilo tried to be smug and accuse me of not having used a proper or primary source, going off of what someone else said, etc., in an attempt to accuse me of intellectual sloth, but NEITHER of you went and actually checked out my source to see what exactly was there.  You are both intellectually lazy. 

Define “modern ethics.” 

@flapper_femme_fatale - My point is that they already have their own countries, and thatt hey should return there.

Ah, so you were never personally harrassed by Muslims?  Good thing you weren’t in Boston, or the Twin Towers.  Good thing you don’t live in any country where their numbers are 5% of the population or higher.  As it is now, there are very few Muslims around.  If you go to a Muslim country you had better get a hijab and/or burka.  You had also better not go anywhere alone. 

You were trying to one up me, and you failed because the quote was there.  If need be I can copy paste.  And no, the comparison was not valid.  Those people were involved in terrorism and illegal activities.  They also attacked Israeli soldiers.  As I explained to Agnophilo, his comment put Israel in the place of the terrorists.  He made an analogy, if A=B and B=C then A=C.  If the blockade runners are the same as the terror victims in Boston, then that makes Israel the antagonist just as the Boston terrorists were.  The protagonists in both situations cannot be analagous without the antagonists also being analogous, or the analogy doesn’t work.   In reality, the analogy doesn’t work, but the fact that Kerry would make that analogy is extremely insulting and disgusting.

Gaza is under Hamas, Hamas is a terrorist organization.  Israel did not start shooting rockets into Gaza, but Gaza started shooting rockets into Israel.  These are the facts.  Maybe not all of the people in Gaza are terrorists, but the terrorists are IN CHARGE there.

“ethics that say it’s not OK to kill other people for what they believe.”–There is nothing new or modern about that idea.  In fact, the statist politicians and propagandists that you follow do not share that belief. 

@flapper_femme_fatale - They probably should expel some of the people that are there, just like we should expell some of the people that are here in the US.  The “Palestinains” already have their own country, it’s called Jordan.  Let them go there and take up their quarrels with the king rather than bugging after the Jews.  Also, I never mentioned caring about what the UN said, the fact is every people group has the right to self-determinism, which means self rule.  Israel is the expression of Jewish self-determinism, and that land is the Jewish homeland.  There is no place more logical for them to build a country.  As I stated before, the “Palestinians” are an amalgam of Jordanians, Egyptians, Syrians, and Arab tribes (from Arabian penninsula).  Those people began immigrating in when the Jews started building a good country there.

Hold on, Jews, Syrians, Jordanians, etc. are all the same race.  The difference between them is ethnic and religious, not racial.  I don’t blame them for distrusting Muslims.  The Muslims continually attack them and give them no peace.  Having Muslims in your country is a very dangerous thing, and I wouldn’t blame Israel if they decided to kick out every last Muslim, nor would that make them racist.  Islam isnt’ a race.  Those Chechynians who blew up Boston are white, but I still don’t want them here and I still don’t find any common ground with them.  The majority of Afghans are also white but I certainly don’t want them stepping foot in the US.  It’s not racism, it’s self preservation, and it can’t be racism when all parties concerned belong to the same racial group.

Yes you’re just ready to be a Dhimmi aren’t you?

@flapper_femme_fatale - There was a sparse population there, and yes, not everyone was Jewish, but there were also Jews there. 

You got it backwards.  First of all, it’s not the Jews fault that Gaza is such a crapheap.  Most of the Middle East and North Africa is a crap heap.  Afghanistan and Pakistan are a crap heap as well.  When people build a civilization or society that is a crap heap, then it’s no ones fault but their own.  It’s not the Jews fault, and it’s not the white man’s fault.  Also, it’s Hamas and other terror groups who keep starting fights with Israel, not the other way around.  Someday Israel is going to run out of patience and come down on all those people like a sledge hammer.