April 10, 2013
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Persecution of Christians in Egypt
Every single person who voted for Obama is complicent in this:
I’m tired of seeing people who know nothing about the world act like they know everything. I’m tired of ignoramuses getting all indignant over defending Obama, Islam, or the Democrat party. It’s long past time to hold that man accountable, and it’s unacceptable for tax dollars to be given in foreign aid to hostile regimes in a time of economic recession. Our tax money that has gone to Egypt is dipped in blood, this is how those animals spend it. Everyone who voted for Obama has the blood of Egyptian Christians on their hands.
“Oh but I didn’t know they would spend it like that!”–Because you never bothered to learn about the world. You don’t know anything about anything other than the Kartrashians, Lady Gaga, and celebrity gossip. You have been content to be spoon fed propaganda your entire life, without questioning, and you never bothered to go out and learn anything on your own because you are intellectually lazy.
“I didn’t think Obama would give money to people like that.”–Well you shouldn’t have voted for a man who campaigned based on giving money anyways. You have absolutely no clue what kind of man Obama is, or what kind of people his friends are. You support him because the media told you to, or because you always vote Democrat without thinking. Or, maybe you support him because you hate Christians, have white guilt, want free handouts at any cost, and/or think America needs to be punished. Whatever reason you have for supporting him logic, patriotism, and personal responsibility probably have little to do with it.
“It’s standard policy.”–No it’s not. Egypt was having a revolution, and Obama decided to help the most Islamic side in that revolution. He did the same thing in Libya, and he’s doing the same thing in Syria. The one secular revolution that occured in the North Africa-Middle East region was the Iranian Green Revolution, and it was the ONLY ONE HE DID NOT SUPPORT. The man is either a Muslim, or a Muslim butt licker.
Also, I’m sick to death of hearing about how Islam is a religion of peace. Yes I know there are some peaceful Muslims, but that does not make Islam a peaceful religion. All evidence is to the contrary. You don’t see other religions behaving like that on a mass scale. Yes I know some idiot is thinking of the Crusades, but the Crusades were a defensive reaction to Islam attacking the Byzantine Empire. Maybe it’s time we had another one. All one need to do is look at any Islamic country and check how it treats religious and ethnic minorities. Stop trying to sugarcoat a piece of crap. Stop trying to compare Islam with other religions. There is no comparison.
Comments (25)
I think the money was to buy them off of Israel. After all what are a few thousand dead Christians in the grand scheme of things?
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - If that were the case then it would have made more sense to keep Mubarak in power, but I don’t think that’s the case. Obama hates Israel, which is why he also gave money to Hamas, and why he couldn’t find time to meet with Netanyahu but he could find time to go on David Letterman. It would be better if they attacked Israel, then Israel could stomp them through the floor and remove a major threat.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Egypt and Israel are on automatic just like Cuba is.
Obama is bound by deals made decades ago.
I think you’re confusing obama with god.
And if we limited foreign aid to only countries whose citizens are nice to christians 100% of the time we’d never give money to anyone. Somebody in any country is going to be a bigot, murderer, psychopath, ideologue etc. By that logic if our fortunes were reversed nobody should help us because US christians occasionally bomb abortion clinics (and commit more or less every other crime imaginable).
to adhere to any religion to me is so absurd, i can’t imagine something like Jesus is surviving in the year 2013..it is beyond me…i cant’ imagine this is going on..they’d tell the door knob is god and it would make as much sense to me…i think i know why they voted for Obama, because of his smile no doubt..also people will agree with anything that is made popular…and new…
total agreement. i was “forced” to study history from the beginning until present. world history, american history. i say “forced” because i homeschooled my three children right through high school.
the fact that history does and has repeated itself would be scary to me, but because of my faith in God i have no fear. Christianity survives because Jesus lives.–karen
@agnophilo - I don’t think you understand the situation in Egypt. Go and read the articles I linked to and look at the pictures. I would accuse you of trolling for comparing Christianity to Islam but I realize that you don’t really know what is going on outside of the US, and you are just repeating soundbites that you were taught.
The fact is, this kind of behavior is not normal human behavior, and our tax money has gone to sponsor it. But, in any event there is no reason to just hand money to foreign governments. Our government has an obligation to US tax payers to spend our money responsibly, and as little as possible. It is not responsible for taking care of another country’s citizens, and it has no businss sponsoring violent terrorist reimes.
@locomotiv - Most people have need of some type of origin belief to explain the existence of the universe, and a lot of people prefer beliefs that entail purpose. Actually a few years ago I almost lost my faith, although in my case I was gravitating toward deism rather than atheism. What caused me to turn around was all the evil I saw, not anything positive or miraculous. I may do a blog entry on that at some point.
You know I’m thinking Obama could kill a baby on public TV and eat it raw, and at least 70% of his supporters would still support him.
@lifeontheWink - Hey awesome. Congratulations on homeschooling. I was homeschooled up until 7th grade, although for the first half of 6th grade I went to a private Christian school. I would like to homeschool my kids but I don’t know how possible it is. I might have my mom do it.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I just applied your logic (muslims are evil if some of them hurt christians) to christians. By disagreeing with me you disagree with your own logic.
“Our government has an obligation to US tax
payers to spend our money responsibly, and as little as possible. It is
not responsible for taking care of another country’s citizens”
Go read the sermon on the mount and get back to me.
“and it has no businss sponsoring violent terrorist reimes.”
That I agree with you on. But egypt isn’t a terrorist regime because the country contains terrorism any more than the US is a terrorist regime because of timothy mcveigh and the KKK (among countless other militia groups).
Just being objective.
@lifeontheWink - What did you learn about the role of religion in history’s mistakes?
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - How does people being evil prove there’s a personal god? That is actually known as the “problem of evil” and is widely considered an irreconcilable dilemma for believers.
“You know I’m thinking Obama could kill a baby
on public TV and eat it raw, and at least 70% of his supporters would
still support him.”
You think the world is evil because you have a distorted, paranoid and cynical view of reality. Most people aren’t one fiftieth as evil as you think they are. I disagree with conservatives but I don’t think most of them are deliberately perverse, just wrong. If I thought half the country was good and half the country was evil I’d probably be twisted in knots over it too. But I honestly don’t.
Why don’t you try to understand where liberals are coming from, what actually motivates them, rather than attributing everything to malice?
@agnophilo - No you didn’t, and you didn’t go look at the articles either. They have institutionalized persecution against Christians in Egypt, AND against atheists. They locked up an atheist and beat him at the police station for posting on his facebook page that all religion is dumb. I have been posting a lot about Egypt lately, and it is possible that you haven’t been following, but the fact is if you were in Egypt you wouldn’t be an atheist for long, at least, not a living atheist. You would be clamoring to get out.
Sermon on the mount doesn’t say anything about the role of government.
You haven’t been paying attention to the news. The Muslim Brotherhood has taken over Egypt, and they are terrorists. You should go and read up on them.
No you aren’t, you are being highly subjective and attempting to use twisted logic predicated on incomplete data.
@agnophilo - No it’s not. The reason evil can exist is because of the presence of good. Evil is the antithesis of good. Without an objective source of goodness, or lawgiver, then good and evil could not even exist as concepts. As for why I was losing my faith specifically, and what exactly compelled me to turn back, you will have to wait on the entry (assuming I decide to write it).
My view is cynical, but that’s because I have seen more of it than you have, and because I have studied history. You have been sheltered from a lot of things, so you don’t know how brutal the world is, or how humanity is. Let me tell you some things about some different cultures:
Native Americans: Although the custom of scalping was invented by the English, the Native Americans continued it long after the white people stopped, and they would also scalp women and children. They didn’t care. In some cases we are talking about stone and bone appliances being used to do it, and not all scalping victims died. Sometimes people survived and lived with bare skull exposed. They also had a practice of pulling out your intestine, tying one end to a tree, and making you walk around the tree so that your intestines were gradually pulled out and wrapped aroundthe tree.
Vikings: The Vikings used to sell their own women as sex slaves to the Muslims in exchange for spices, gold, and fancy clothes. They also had a method of torture known as the “Crimson Eagle.” Why was it called that you ask? Because they would split your back open, pull out your lungs, and lay them on top of your back and watch you die. As the victim died, the lungs would inflate with air and deflate a few times, resembling stubby, bloody wings.
China: In China torture was very scientific. You may have seen “Big Trouble in Little China”? Remember the bodies in the water? That was one method of Chinese torture. They would put you in water for days and weeks, and your body would become waterlogged and begin to fall apart. Today they still use torture, and the Christians in China have it especially bad. In Chinese prisons they put reeds beneath the fingernails. At first they just shove them partway, but then as the blood soaks into the reed the reed expands, pushing the nail up.
In the US thousands of babies are getting chopped up every day in abortion clinics. If you try to insist “it’s just a clump of cells” then I am going to respond with pictures.
I could write a book on these things, and don’t say that it was just a few people here and there, because these things I mented were all standard/institutionalized practices. You have no idea. You live in soft sheltered condtions, and the reason why the US is such a soft place to live compared with other places and times is because of the vestigial influence of Christianity, which teaches moderation, temperence, and mercy. Personally I think we are too merciful, but that’s just my opinion.
Also, I have read Mein Kampf, Lord Shang, and the Communist Manifesto, so I know what the power grabbers are all about. You probably have never even cracked Mein Kampf, or even heard of Lord Shang. The fact is I know more than you do, which is why I am more distrustful and cynical.
As for liberalism, I don’t understand why people gravitate toward that, but I know that fear plays a major role. Conservatives are afraid of government, while liberals are afraid of their fellow citizens. But anyone who would give up freedom for security doesn’t deserve to have either.
@agnophilo - And see, the fact that you won’t go and check out the articles on Egpyt is an example of why you don’t know what is going on in the world. You think you know everything, but you don’t bother to actually learn. You are wilfully ignorant.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I clicked the link the second I first saw the post. You think obama has control over what a handful of people a world away do? Again, he’s not omnipotent or omniscient. You’re confusing him with god.
@agnophilo - True, BUT, he should have known better than to give them money in the first place. He consistly involves our tax money in all these Middle Eastern-North African “revolutions” which are really Islamists trying to take over from secular dictatorships. The ONLY secular revolution in the ME was the Iranian Green Revolution and he comletely ignored it.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
“No it’s not. The reason evil can exist is
because of the presence of good. Evil is the antithesis of good.”
Actually it goes both ways, good cannot exist (or would be meaningless) without the presence of evil. This is the basis for yin and yang in eastern philosophy, that good and evil are mutually necessary.
“Without an objective source of goodness, or lawgiver, then good and evil
could not even exist as concepts.”
To tell light from darkness you only need eyes, not someone to order you to leave the lights on. The benefits of light and the hazards of darkness are obvious. The same is true of morality.
“As for why I was losing my faith
specifically, and what exactly compelled me to turn back, you will have
to wait on the entry (assuming I decide to write it).”
Tag me or whatever if you do.
“My view
is cynical, but that’s because I have seen more of it than you have, and
because I have studied history. You have been sheltered from a lot of
things, so you don’t know how brutal the world is, or how humanity is.
Let me tell you some things about some different cultures:”
I wasn’t aware of a few of the precise methods of torture you mention below, but I was aware of about as many varied types. One of the worst is from europe, a metal spike a few feet long with a square, blunt point about an inch or so wide, they would sit someone down on it and weigh their feet so the spike would slowly rip through their organs, only killing them when it made it’s way into their brain. I am well aware of the depths of evil that have existed (and do exist) in the world. The difference between us is that I acknowledge the good too. I see how far we’ve come and I can see how far we will go in the future. I’ve seen people willing to die for strangers, I’ve seen people gladly going to war to fight injustice knowing they may never come back. I’ve seen a man stand up to a row of tanks and refuse to move the day after protesters were run over by those same tanks for standing up to an oppressive regime. I’ve seen diseases that killed millions wiped out by people from countries that aren’t effected by those illnesses, who devoted their life to solving a problem that wasn’t theirs. I’ve seen inventions save a billion people from starvation. I’ve seen a man walk on the face of the moon. I’ve seen satellite images with thousands of galaxies in a single frame. I’ve seen the rise of the age of civil rights and democracy. I’ve seen half the world rid itself of tyranny and waited for the other half to follow suit. I could go on.
I acknowledge the bad, you fixate on it and ignore the good. You see the part of “liberals” you don’t agree with or find harmful and ignore the good in them. Do you think they all go home after voting and rape their kids and murder their spouses? Of course not. Most of them love their families and are driven by the urge to do what they think is right, whether they’re correct or not, the same way conservatives are.
“In the US thousands
of babies are getting chopped up every day in abortion clinics. If you
try to insist “it’s just a clump of cells” then I am going to respond
with pictures.”
I’m not going to get into that debate with you, it will just side track everything. I think we’ve had it before anyway.
“I could write a book on these things, and don’t
say that it was just a few people here and there, because these things I
mented were all standard/institutionalized practices. You have no
idea. You live in soft sheltered condtions, and the reason why the US
is such a soft place to live compared with other places and times is
because of the vestigial influence of Christianity, which teaches
moderation, temperence, and mercy.”
So does every culture. In the examples you listed of the great evils people have done, about 20% of them were infamously done by christians, which is roughly the percentage of the world that is christian. You ignore the good in the non-christian, liberal world, then ignore the evil done by christians in order to say christians are awesome and everyone else is evil. It’s more complicated than that. People do good and evil things for a complex list of reasons to do with culture, ideology, psychology, how they’re raised etc. Christians have done warped things too you know.
“Personally I think we are too
merciful, but that’s just my opinion.”
So then what side are you on?
“Also, I have read Mein
Kampf, Lord Shang, and the Communist Manifesto, so I know what the power
grabbers are all about. You probably have never even cracked Mein
Kampf, or even heard of Lord Shang. The fact is I know more than you
do, which is why I am more distrustful and cynical.”
I’ve probably quoted mein kamf to you – particularly the bit where he says that by fighting the jews he’s doing the work of the lord.
“As for
liberalism, I don’t understand why people gravitate toward that, but I
know that fear plays a major role.”
I’ve always thought it was the reverse. I see the fire and brimstone, “I need to own a machine gun so I can kill my neighbors when the NWO comes for my canned goods” crowd as being the ones ruled by fear. Most liberals I know are pretty laid back.
“Conservatives are afraid of
government, while liberals are afraid of their fellow citizens.”
No, just psychopaths. And if I think it’s good to say make seat belts mandatory in cars because they save lives I don’t have to be paralyzed by fear of car crashes to simply agree with it and think it’s a good policy. Similarly I don’t have to be terrified of guns so see the upside in limiting magazine size while not seeing any real downside.
“But
anyone who would give up freedom for security doesn’t deserve to have
either.”
Essential liberty for temporary security*. Owning a musket isn’t quite the essential liberty it once was.
@agnophilo - I’m not talking about subjective Yin Yang type philosophy. Evil exists because of rebellion against God, and that is the basis of all evil. The only reason people can conceptualize things in terms of good and evil is because a fixed moral standard does exist.
Yes there were lots of greusome torture devices in medieval Europe. There was a also a metal pyramid shape object that was used to spread open a persons butthole and slowly rip it open. The device you described sounds similar, but in this case the person was lowered onto it via chains while their body was kept horizontal to the ground. There was another device designed for spreading open the butthole using a crank. I have seen a lot of those things.
Now hold on, if you want to attribute those things to Christianity then you have to cite scripture that calls for that. The medieval Catholic church operated largely on Papal decrees, and they had a good deal of extra-Biblical doctrine. Also, most of those people couldn’t even read, and they thought they were saved by infant baptism and paying money to the church. Calling them Christians does not make them so.
No I do not say that only Christians can be decent people, or that there is no good outside of Christianity. I do criticize Islam sharply, but that is all based on fact. If the Catholic Church still operated today as it did in the Middle Ages then I would criticize them as well. I also criticize liberalism because I hate what it is doing to the western world. It does nothing but destroy our economy and erode the moral fiber of our country, and it sours gender relations. That is why I have to import my fiance from India. Our culture has been badly decimated.
Yes there is good stuff that happens, but I don’t trust people who seek after positions of power, and try to influence others through the use of force. As for Islam, one need only look at their holy text and behavior to know that it is dangerous.
You have been to websites to copy paste quotes from Mein Kampf but you ever actually read it, otherwise you would not have tried to use quotes to tie Hitler in with Christianity. I reccomed reading Mein Kampf and Lord Shang. Then when you are done with that read 1984.
The fact is you view the government as the ubermensch. You ascribe to them superior morality and intellect, which is why you feel safe with them having any kind of weapon but not your fellow citizens.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - i like the baby touch on Obama…
@locomotiv - Haha, thanks. I get the impression that a lot of them accept all kinds of things just because Obama says it’s OK. Like how they used to be all anti-war when Bush was in charge, but now that it’s Obama you don’t hear a peep of anti-war rhetoric out of them.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - the man has charm…that must be it…though, i think Bush was cute in his own way….
@agnophilo - i learned that not everyone who calls themselves “christian” is a follower of Christ.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - great idea! i plan on homeschooling the next generation too!
@locomotiv - Could be. Unfortunately they have been trying to dumb down America for some time, and Obama is just a symptom of that.
@lifeontheWink - It’s the best way to go. Much better than putting your kids in the government brainwashing institutions.