February 21, 2013
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I will blaspheme Islam
So apparently there are some Pakis who want to try the Pakistani ambassador to the US for blasphemy, because she suggested loosening the blasphemy laws in Pakistan a.k.a. Porkistan, a.k.a. Pukistan.
Muslims have to be the most sensitive people in the world, to want to kill their own people over slight disagreements. Death and violence is the answer to disputes in Islam. So earlier we had a retarded girl from a Christian family get accused of “blasphemy” for supposedly burning Koran pages. Although people have been executed for blasphemy following court convictions, sometimes they are killed by mobs prior to completion of a trial.
Any culture, society, government, or belief system which does not allow for freedom of speech is not worth preserving and needs to go. Executing someone for their opinion or something that they said is absolutely savage, disgusting, and pure evil. I don’t care how offensive it was. Stop being so sensitive. Stop being a baby. The left has the same problem, always wanting to curtail people’s freedom of speech to protect their own feelings. News flash, the world doesn’t care about your feelings. If your feelings are so delicate that they impair your functioning then learn not to have them. I used to be sensitive when I was young, and I would literally attack other kids (only boys) for things that they said to me. This was elementary age. As a result of that I found myself in trouble a lot, and I had to learn to be less emotional so that I could function properly. You can mute your own emotions. You cannot completely eliminate them but you can reduce them and learn not to act on them so much. Really it is something that everyone should learn to do.
But I digress, I want to say something more about Islam specifically. I absolutely detest that savage backward desert religion. Muhammad is nothing sacred to me and neither is the Koran. As far as I am concerned the Koran is a book of blasphemy. Also, Muhammad was a pedophile. Don’t excuse him. He was a pedophile, he liked to have sex with little girls, and sometimes boys as well. So he was also a queer. To me, he is more unclean than the pigs Muslims are always shunning. Also, there is no such thing as Allah, the false moongod of Mecca. If Allah were real he would just be another pig in a pen on some farm someplace. Maybe if I ever take up farming I will ranch pigs, and name one of them Allah. Maybe I will even fashion a brand like the Muslim symbol for Allah, and brand it onto the biggest most disgusting pig on the farm, because that’s what Islam is.
Oh yes, I know that any Muslims reading this will be enraged and try to kill me, or worse. But that will only validate all of my points I have made here, and in addition, I am not someone you want to mess with. Anyone who tries anything is going to pay a heavy heavy price.
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/pakistan-accuses-ambassador-u-blasphemy-124213305.html
Comments (81)
You dirty infidel rat!
@PlatotheSmurf - You got me
Muslims are extremely sensitive. And their archaic views on women need to go. I would enjoy a cage match between them and the Westboro Baptist freaks.
If you can arrange this, let me know. I will bring the buttered popcorn.
@Midnight_Masochist - Their views on women are savage and disgusting. Look at how they acid burn their women, and now the Muslim women are even doing it to other women. You know there was an acid attack in England. I wrote on it some time ago: http://ambrosius-augustus-rex.xanga.com/771623044/acid-attacks-have-come-to-europe/
I have never heard of a single acid attack outside of Islam. The Muslims came up with that one all by themselves, and what a savage and vile thing it is.
I would bet on the Wesboro church. Ideally they would both wipe eachother out, but I think that one on one the Westboro people would win, simply because Muslims can never win in fair fights. That’s why they have to hide behind their women and children, and use terror attacks.
What is funny is I have the same issues with CC’s. Taliban lite.
They are the creative little creatures when it comes to torture and destruction. I would applaud their innovation, but… oh, hell to the no! I won’t applaud them. They can choke on a soiled burka.
I don’t like those Westboro creeps. I think they are a new low of ignorance and should be flogged for the drivel they are teaching their children to spew. I’m sure they’re descendants of inbred mountain cows. And I am allowed to say that, cause of my free speech. Which is also why they’re allowed to be incredible asshats. Oh, the irony!
@Midnight_Masochist / @Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex – I’d bet on Al-Qaeda (is that how it’s spelled this week?) and the Taliban.
I can already hear you asking, “Why is that?”
Simple – the Islamists have had eleven years’ worth of experience in fighting with and dodging the U.S., British, etc., military forces, while WBC limited their activities to picketing with “GOD HATES FAGS” signs.
Although I condemn harming innocent animals, I agree with everything else in this post. Muhammad was a despicable psychopath and/or psychotic.
People like you risk getting Americans deployed to or living in the Middle East (like me) killed just to make a point. Think about that.
@SlickRick297 – Any Islamist(s) citing this blog post as the “reason” for attacking Americans have already made up their mind(s) to attack Americans before seeing it and are just using it as an excuse.
@mikewb1971 - UNACCEPTABLE! As an American who has proudly worn the uniform to defend, in part, your and the originl poster’s right to free speech for the last decade, I’m ashamed that it has to include people like you folks who abuse it to be total idiots.
The original poster wrote this blog with obvious intent to inflame a volitaile situation, and that is completely irresponsible. I agree that the rioting and murder over an opinion is irrational, but it is a fact of life that it happens. You’re wrong to contribute to it.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex obviously has no regard for the consequences of posting something like this if, say, this post went viral and reached the Middle East. That’s great if you are such a badass (or think you are) that you can defend yourself against someone coming after you, but that doesn’t do shit for the tens of thousands of Americans in the Middle East who wouldn’t be able to protect themselves against an ambush in direct retaliation to a post like this. Rex doesn’t really put himelf in any danger by insighting chaos, but he does me and my friends. I resent the fuck out of that.
Did anyone ever think about the fact that not all Muslims believe in so extreme ideas? Guess what, there are millions of moderate Muslims who don’t support jihad and are easy to get along with, but you are all too damn ignorant and, frankly, bigoted to see past the extremes you hear in the news. So guess what, as far as a moderate Muslim is concerned, you needlessly insulted their faith, big time.
Yeah, I get the frustration that Muslims in the Middle East riot over religious insults. To me, it’s irrational. However, if you, Rex, or anyone else here who has posted a comment in support of this lunacy of literature think that fanning the flames and, potentially, insighting deadly international riots is going to change the world or make it better, then, quite frankly, you’re an arrogant, ignorant son of a bitch that does not deserve the freedom of speech that I, my friends, and my brothers-in-arms are deployed to protect.
I have an idea for you opinionated theologians: think about how what you post can affect other people or put them in danger and take some responsibility. I don’t give a fuck what you think you know: if this post goes viral and people get hurt afterwards, YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS for intentionally trying to insult people, piss them off and make things worse for those of us who are actually already in enough danger.
@tendollar4ways - What are you talking about?
@Midnight_Masochist - Excellent comment. Maybe the Westboro church will offend some other group of rednecks who will then proceed to pounding the snot out of them. The other option is to put some fresh dog crap in a paper bag, leave it on their porch, light it on fire, ring the doorbell, and run away.
Do those people live in your area? I see them on the news from time to time but I never have seen any of them in real life before.
@mikewb1971 - But do you think they would win in a cage match with no weapons? I don’t know, but it would be interesting to watch.
@DrummingMediocrity - And so are most of his followers.
@SlickRick297 - If anyone goes crazy over this post then it proves that my points were valid and that more posts like this are needed. As a military person you are well armed. You probably have automatic weapons and equipment that will allow you to take out large groups of people at once if they attack you. Most of us back in the US do not, and now we have Obama wanting to further limit the types of weapons we do have. Honestly I am less concerned with the Muslims in the Middle East than I am with the Muslims here. The more their numbers in the US grow, the more danger all of us are in.
As for you, being in the Middle East you are already in constant danger. There isn’t really anything I can do to put you in more danger than you are already in. Muslims already hate foreigners, infidels, and religious minorities in their countries, especially those who come as invaders.
Moving on, I will not be sensitive toward Islam. Just because they are violent immature brats does not mean they should get special treatment, unless that treatment is a heavy dose of lead poisoning. People make fun of Christians a lot more than they make fun of Muslims, and we don’t go rioting, killing, or spraying acid on anyone’s faces. I have no sympathy for them. Islam is long overdue for a thorough beat down. They need to be taken down a few pegs. If everyone will take up blaspheming their false child molesting cult then they won’t be able to focus their anger in any specific direction.
Picard said it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztB_q1YgcsY
@mikewb1971 - Pretty much.
Just for clarification, I did make some statement around here somewhere about the horrors many people commit based on their religion. That is not limited to Muslims. I am aware that there are Muslims who are peaceful, and do not practice or desire jihad. I have no issues with them, so I should have better expressed myself for indicating my beef is with RADICAL Muslims. But then, if you knew me, you’d also know I hold the same contempt for anyone who uses their religion as a super power shield to attack others through. I have said similar things about Protestants, Catholics, Ultra-Conservs, and Sarah Palin.
(That’s right, I said it. I am anti-Palin. What?)
Any person practicing the tenants of their faith that behave with compassion and acceptance will get the same from me. I don’t care if you worship Cthulhu. Be good to me and my own, and I will be good to you. Someone who wants to destroy me simply because I am a living breathing woman who does NOT let a man tell me what the hell to do with my body or whether or not I cover my entire person with a tarp can kindly kiss off. I do not owe any further respect or courtesy to them.
@Midnight_Masochist - Understood. That’s where we differ a little because I don’t trust Muslims in general. I am leery of them in the same way that I am of Nazis. I used to have a friend who was Egyptian way back when I was in high school. We used to hang out after school and play videogames and all that. Back then I didn’t know much about Islam, and this guy wasn’t a suicide bomber or a Jihadi or anything, but he had some really extreme attitudes toward the Jews. One time he told me that he was sitting next to this black girl in class, and one day she let it slip that she was part Jewish, so this guy got up and moved and told the teacher that he didn’t want to be seated anywhere near that girl ever again. He wasn’t getting ready to join the Jihadis, or make women cover up, but he supported all that Jihad stuff. Of course you can’t generalize over one person but it does seem like the majority of them cheer for the terrorists. As for those other things, no harm in putting criticism where criticism is due. There are certainly annoying people from every group.
Haha, Palin was all fake. The only politician I know of who was real was Ron Paul, and MAYBE Alan West. The rest of them are all clowns.
People should leave you alone as long as you aren’t hurting anyone else. To me all that burka stuff is fake piety (when voluntary) or oppression (when forced). This reminds me, I have been meaning to do an entry on the burka for some time.
I don’t think I’ve ever met any Muslims in person. I just try to hope some of them are at least a little like me. I did know someone who’d been rubbing elbows with klan members. Got so pissed I cut those ties. I will not associate with people like that. And that’s something I told that individual years before, and then they went behind my back and got all secret-supremisty anyway. My kids are Puerto Rican. That’s the worst line anyone could cross with me.
I voted for Ron once. I like the guy.
@Midnight_Masochist - There are secular Muslims, who are basically like the equivalent of agnostics and deists in the US, and there are also atheists there who self identify as Muslims for various reasons. I was casual friends with another Muslim (this time from Syria) in high school, and he was considering converting to Christianity because of his girlfriend. But then you have others like this Saudi I was friends with in college. I remember it was during the Bush vs. Kerry election, and I was trying to convince this guy to vote for Bush before class. He had dual citizenship between the US and SA. After the election I asked him how he voted and he said he voted for Kerry. His exact words were “all my loyalties are to the Middle East, and I don’t want the US to be strong.” Of course, in retrospect Bush was a sack of crap, but those are the kinds of attitudes these people have. This guy didn’t beat his wife or make her wear a burka or hijab, but he was still hostile like that. After that I decided not to bother trying to make friends with those people anymore. Why should I when they see me as an enemy and wish me ill?
I don’t care for white supremacists either. I never made friends with one in real life, but I had some unpleasant internet discussions with them. They don’t like it when you race mix. I’m surprised a KKK member would even want to associate with you for marrying out, or breeding out. Usually they get all puffed up with rage and indignation, and blame race mixers for white decline. I do believe that white decline is a problem, but race mixers are blamed unjustly for that. We only make up a small percent of the breeding population, which is why I tend to categorize WS people as OCD. But at least we don’t live in Croatia where the WS people will actually physically do something to you. Mostly in the US they just complain and run their mouths.
He wasn’t a klan member when we ‘met’, though he mentioned some crap about the beginnings of the klan and how they were misunderstood and all noble, to which I said I didn’t give a shit and would not be friends with anyone that was a part of that hatefulness. I’ve always been honest about who I am, as well as who my family is. I’ve always kinda liked that line from Bulworth, where he basically says the only way to eliminate racism is to breed out different races. Not that it was my intent when I got married. I just choose to get to know people based on who they are, and not so much what their parents are.
@Midnight_Masochist - Now I am curious as to what he might have said. I was always under the impression that they were defined by their views on race. Are you sure he was KKK and not just a pro-Confederacy guy? I’m asking because sometimes pro-Confederacy people sometimes get unjustly associated with the KKK. If he’s KKK I wouldn’t be friends with him either. You can’t be friends with people like that without them trying to convince you to jump on their bandwagon.
I don’t think you can eliminate racism. Reacting with prejudice and fear to the unknown and different is a normal human thing, it takes a person of higher intellect to react with reason and logic to something new or different. I’m thinking that for most of humanity if direct racism isn’t possible then people will go for ethnic hate, like how Ethiopians and Somalis hate eachother (I take the Ethiopian side), or how Chinese and Japanese hate eachother (I don’t take a side on that one).
But yes, racism is rather senseless. People can’t help what race they were born into so it doesn’t seem fair to hold that against them. On the other hand oikophobia is equally revolting, and at least as senseless.
When it comes to my courtship methodology I tended to prioritize looks and shared values over race. I didn’t go for any particular race until I decided that I was interested in Indian women exclusively, and the reason for that was just that I like their culture. Wasn’t really trying to mix or not to.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Indian food is delicious! I would be sooo fat if I was able to eat Indian cuisine all the time.
He was going to their rallies, but lying to me about it. I already knew he was pro-confederacy, so that wasn’t the issue. And they were easy to identify with those profile pics. A friend list of burning crosses and pointy white hoods? Yep, I think I’ll pass on that.
I’m probably gonna sound dense, but what is oikophobia?
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
Normally I don’t get fixated on responding to idiot politics, since people so extreme like you can’t be convinced by logic or reason, but this is a lot more serious than a mere opinion, because it is the type of thing that is proven to be dangerous to people like me and people I care about.
Dude, you need to stop struggling to justify something horrendous and think about the bigger picture. If people riot and innocent people get hurt or killed over this, what have you really proven? All you will have proven, besides your own deep, hate-driven ignorance is that Muslims can over-react to religious insults. That’s a point that is already well known, and the world doesn’t need a reminder. By insulting the Muslim religion, you:
-Will not change the world or how Muslims think
-May incite international instability
-Will risk the lives of countless Americans, putting those of us overseas in far greater danger to experience retaliation than you will ever be at home in the US
For the sake of argument, if events unfolded and someone like me gets murdered because a Muslim wanted to retaliate in response to your words, and the whole thing proves your point, what have you really accomplished? In other words, why is being right so damn important to you that you don’t care about whose lives you risk in order to successfully make a point? Damn dude, be the bigger man and just accept that it’s not worth it. Can you do that?
You cannot divorce yourself of responsibility for the results of terror when you knowingly and intentionally incite it. If you scream “fire” in a crowded movie theater just to see what will happen, and someone dies in the ensuing stampede, you can’t blame everyone else for killing that person because they lost control and couldn’t properly egress the theater. You would be held criminally and civilly liable for causing a panic. Guess what, the same goes here. You are putting people in harm’s way just to have something to say. That’s just wrong.
You make some deadly assumptions about the security of places you have never been to, don’t know anything about but are nonetheless open to insult. I, on the other hand, have experienced living in politically unstable regions where riots were commonplace. Fools like you who do shit like this put people like me in much increased danger than I would otherwise be, because EVERYDAY Muslims in these cases wouldn’t normally have a reason to motivate them to come after Americans. They may not like us, sure, but the every day Muslim won’t participate in a destructive riot aimed at an American facility until you insult his deity, then the gloves come off. Extremists don’t count, they will fight us wherever they find us, but in a riot that you could potentially cause, the extremists in the crowd would be outnumbered about 100-1 by everyday, average Muslims who without a deliberate insult to their god would have otherwise been ok living their lives. Otherwise, the average Muslim is ok to just leave us alone. The difference between you and me is that I have been there, done that, am wearing the t-shirt right now, and you need to fucking listen.
Your argument that I’m safe because I have automatic weapons is gravely ill-informed. It would be irresponsible to highlight our vulnerabilities in a public forum like this, but suffice it to say that Americans can only carry firearms in public in a country that we are occupying as the result of a war. So yes, an infantryman in Afghanistan is armed to the teeth, but a Marine stationed in Okinawa is guilty of a war crime if he carries his weapon (personal or GI) off base. (According to international law, it is considered an invasion, since Japan is a hosting nation, not an occupied territory.)
By the way, none of this covers the thousands of other civilians who may happen to be in the Middle East and are even more vulnerable, like diplomats, students, tourists, contractors etc. They would have no chance at all against defending themselves.
You want to change the world and fight terrorism, make the world a safer place? Do what I did and join the military. Pick up a weapon and deploy to the Middle East instead of being a coward and hiding behind your blog, meanwhile letting us who actually wear the U.S. flag on our shoulder bear the brunt of the consequences resulting from your irresponsible (read: malicious) use of the free speech we protect.
You want to talk about other peoples’ gods, lets talk about your own. If you follow the teachings of someone whose initials are J.C., do you really think you could look Him in the eye and tell Him you don’t share a significant level of responsibility for getting some of His innocent children killed? If I got killed in a riot sparked by this post, could you do the same to my wife, or my mother and father? If you think you can, you’re truly deranged, on the level of a serial killer.
Do the right thing and take this post down, and do it before you cause someone to get hurt.
The Conservative Christians are as offensive in their wanting to enforce their own brand of morality. Granted the muslims take this insanity to a whole nother level but if left up to many CC’s we would be like Uganda imprisoning gays, Christianity would be the national religion and we would be on that slippery slope.
I have a Muslim Colleague and he has been a pretty good business partner. He isn’t always 100% honest but no one in my business is….if you were you would get crushed.
You don’t see the irony in you not liking your Muslim buddy because he hated jews yet you turn around and hate Muslims?
Also, you say the left wants to stifle freedom of speech outta one side of your mouth then will rip the ACLU outta the other. You crazy dude.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex – Even on that basis, the Al-Qaeda or Taliban insurgent would whup the WBC idiot because mostly the WBC limits its members to being obnoxious with a sign or bullhorn, whereas anyone who’s been working for AQ or the Taliban for a while has been in actual physical fights.
Even if I’m wrong, it would still be fun to watch.
@tendollar4ways - You got fat.
@SlickRick297 - That’s exactly right. A people who will kill you for speaking out against their pedophilia, abuses against women, and over all tyranny should be feared and catered to. We should never upset them, we should fear them and their retaliation. Right. Did you learn that in the corps? My husband seems to have had a very different experience, and attitude towards them, since just about every single one he ever met was trying to kill him.
@SlickRick297 -
Were you born daft, or did it take practice?
You knew the risks before you chose to live there… Well, I sure hope you did anyway. Your decision (or anyone else’s) to live in a hostile environment is blame recipient #1 should something happen to you.
Blame recipient #2 would be the fanaticism of the perpetrators.
Someone exercising their free speech in an entire different continent doesn’t even factor into the equation.
That’s like claiming a bank having money in it’s vault is to blame for it’s being robbed.
Moron.
@DougX831 - Nice try. I give you points for at least wanting to have something meaningful to say, but not much else.
Obviously I know the risks of what I’m doing, I don’t draw imminent danger/hostile fire pay for nothing. The job itself is inherently dangerous, and honestly I like it that way. That does not excuse someone for recklessly exercising their free speech so that they can have fun throwing a match into a powder keg. Without morons like you and Rex, the job is plenty dangerous.
The shitty deal is that the part of the Constitution I swore to protect that includes free speech also has to include idiots like Rex, people who support him (like you) who are TRYING to make things MORE dangerous for American patriots than they absolutely have to be.
What you either fail to or are too inept to understand is that Rex is doing more than exercising his free speech, he is intentionally trying to PROVOKE an audience into actions to prove his point. That is what is fucked up.
To make your analogy actually fit the discussion you’re trying to poke your nose into, it is more like having money in the bank, leaving the vault door open at night, and firing the bank agent who forgot to close it for being an idiot and making a bad situation worse by being irresponsible.
@mtngirlsouth - I respect you and your husband’s opinions but that is not what I am trying to address here. I don’t have problems with people criticizing Islam itself or Muslims themselves, because believe me, I have my own critical opinions of them like I do every religion/people including my own. That is not the point. What I have an issue with is the second to last paragraph of the post, where Rex directly insults Muhammed, and that crosses the line. Criticizing how Islam is practiced and human rights abuses is one thing, however Rex goes far beyond speaking out against human rights abuses done by (some) Muslims, in fact he takes it to another level with a malice attempt to provoke chaos so that he can stroke his ego and say “I told you so!”. There is absolutely nothing noble about that, and it is completely irrational and irresponsible.
By the way, what no one is talking about is that you can’t just beat Islam into submission. It doesn’t work like that. Yes, a big part of fighting terrorism involves killing Muslim extremists who become terrorists. No issues with that at all, kill each of them twice as far as I’m concerned. However, in order to stop the Muslim population from growing more replacement fighters to fill the shoes of the terrorists we have killed, we actually have to convince average Muslims to be on our side. We did this in Iraq, it was how Al-Qaeda lost its grip on the country and eventually got pushed out. In order to let places like Afghanistan transition to their own government providing security so that the U.S. can leave, this is also necessary. You may not like Muslims but we do have to work together with them in order to ensure our national security. In order to do that, we need to not be seen as blasphemers of their religion, which they take very seriously.
It is not about fearing Muslims, it’s about doing the best we can to win the War on Terrorism.
@SlickRick297 -
Based on that reply, it sounds like you’re one of them there soldiers. Wow. I’ll hush, man. Little ol’ civilian like me probably dont much know nothing about what it’s really like, over there in the fight, outside the wire, north of the green zone.
I bet Fallujah was a real bitch.
Thank you for setting me straight. I gotta go sleep soundly in my bed tonight, what with all you brave men standing ready to visit violence on my enemies, on my behalf.
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@SlickRick297 - “What I have an issue with is the second to last paragraph of the post, where Rex directly insults Muhammed, and that crosses the line…….in fact he takes it to another level with a malice attempt to provoke chaos” I didn’t see that. All I saw was an acknowledgment that what he said in this post was something they would see as worthy of death. The fact is that Muhammad WAS pedophile who married a six year old (SIX YEAR OLD) and consummated that marriage when she was nine. NINE! There is no other word for that than sick. And you think insulting him crosses some line.
I don’t think we have any business in the affairs over there. But I will NEVER EVER agree that we need to worry about what they may think when we state the clear true fact that their prophet was a pedophile. And they are sick over there when one of their ‘holy’ men (Salih bin Fawzan) makes a new fatwa that says any age baby can be married and used for sex as long as her husband thinks her body can bear the weight of his body. You will never convince ME that ‘insulting’ the founder of such horrid beliefs crosses some line.
I’m curious to know where you got your opinions from?
But yeah, in general, it’s a good idea for any human being to be in-control of their emotions; thank you for the reminder.
@mtngirlsouth - a different time with a different set of people. Some girls do get their periods by the age of 9 and are quite wise. Think about it.
@nov_way - Are you actually DEFENDING the idea of sex with a nine year old at any time?
@mtngirlsouth - I heard Muhammeds wife was six… >_>
@DrummingMediocrity - Baby got fat
@Midnight_Masochist - Oh yes, I love Indian food. I’m a big fan of Hyderabad style cuisine, but I also like the stuff that my fiance and her family cook. So good.
Sounds like a certified nutjob, or at the very least a prick. Yea I would also have a hard time being around someone like that, mainly because of my dating habits and the fact that i strongly support Israel. I wonder what would happen if you snuck into a KKK rally and lit up a huge Magen David? I would love to do something like that and upload the video of their reactions to youtube.
Oikophobia is the opposite of Xenophobia. It’s when people hate themselves, their own people, and their background. The left is known for it, and some of their policies are based on it.
@SlickRick297 - First of all, compliments will get you nowhere. Second, arguing that my entry should be taken down because it might stir them to a psychopathic rage is not a valid argument. The fact that they can be stirred to a psychopathic rage over words serves only to underscore the fact that their religion needs to be criticized and refuted. What you suggest sounds to me like giving into terrorists and bullies, and that I cannot agree with.
I guarantee that they will not be as outraged by my blog here, as they are by your physical presence there. You are a conqueror and an infidel, and your presence defiles their land. They are already chafing at your being there every day.
A soldier in Okinawa is not in any danger from radical Muslims. There are next to no Muslims in Japan.
I get the impression that you believe Benghazi was caused by the Muhammad movie. It’s hard to know what exactly happened because our media and government are both so crooked, and have worked together to cover up the truth. But it was not about an obscure internet movie. How many of those desert barbarians do you seriously think have internet access? I’m fairly certain that our government was working with the terrorists on that one.
Let me assume you are asking a serious question and would really like to know why I don’t join the military. One reason is that I do not want to work under the corrupt government we have, and I do not believe that their approach is the correct one. The wars our government has waged serve no purpose, except to drain our economy and waste productivity. To be completely blunt, I really think you are wasting your time over there. I could argue that by you being there you put the lives of people back in the home country in danger, because the whole Muslim world is pissed at the US over the military action, and our asshat government continues to let them into our country. As you know, the Muslims have a preference for targetting civilians over trained soldiers. It makes no sense to wage war on the Muslims, while also letting them into our country. Nothing you are doing over there is going to change who they are. They will still be Muhammadens long after you are gone, and their beliefs will not change on any level. Also the war is meaningless, and has jack all to do with the safety of US citizens as long as Muslims are allowed in our country. The best thing to do is to let them have their countries, while we have ours, and we can stay out of their countries while denying them access to ours. OR, if you want to permanently change their culture and truly win the war against them then you should go after Mecca. Go after Mecca, and either nuke it or blast it to the ground with conventional warfare and occupy it. That would refute their religion in the same way that Jersualem getting nuked would refute Christianity and Judaism.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I think I’m a little more left than right, but I’d like to think I have a pretty decent functioning brain up there behind my eyeballs. It makes no sense to hate my own kind any more than it makes sense to hate another’s race. We can’t change what we are born into. Just deal and move on, fruitcakes! (That’s for them Xenos and Oinkers, not you, my friend.)
I’m sorry, but I don’t think it’s appropriate to view one race or religion as particularly more worthy of reverence based on fear. That is terrorism. That’s what we’re supposed to be opposing here. So we are not allowed to outwardly disagree? Pedophilia is not acceptable or legal, but that’s ‘okay’ cause it’s them and they’ll bomb us. Let them keep beating and murdering their women, let them strap bombs on their children. It’s okay, they’re Muslim, so we are gonna smile and say nothing. Say this post gets taken down. Trust me, this isn’t the only thing floating around on the internet condemning some of their beliefs and practices. I don’t know too many people who don’t actually feel this way. They may word it differently, but it’s the same thing.
Americans could universally applaud the Muslims, and we’d still get attacked. Does not matter what we do or do not say about them. Does not matter at all. They hate us simply because we are Americans. Are we supposed to be apologizing for that now, too?
@tendollar4ways - The fact that you would compare us with Islam shows that you have a gross misunderstanding of Christianity, Islam, or both. Stop and think about it for a few minutes. If we were like the Muslims then you would have been killed a long time ago for your opinions, regardless of whatever laws the government has in place. You would be just as dead as atheists and agnostics are when they speak up in Muslim countries. There would also be incidences of acid burnings, polygamy, killing for apostasy (spelling?), stonings, and poisoning of dogs. That’s right, Muslims will poison neighbors dogs. Also there would be forced conversions. When has someone ever held you up and tried to force you to convert? Probably never, but my guess is that if they did you would anyways.
I have no idea what business you are involved in so I cannot comment on that.
Also, if you want to see what the US would be like if it were mostly Christian you have only to look back in history. People like the leaders you follow have done a lot to curtail the influence of Christianity on the culture, and since then all forms of crime have gone up. Divorce has also gone up. I don’t really see how that is an improvement.
I don’t hate Muslims I hate Islam, just like I also hate Nazism. I don’t see why you can dislike Nazism but not Islam. They are two sides of the same coin.
I didn’t said anything about the ACLU here, but your assumption that I would be apposed to them is correct. The ACLU is just a hatchetman for left wing despots. That organization was founded by communists, based on the principles of communism. They have jack all to do with freedom of speech or expression.
@LKJSlain - It’s true. He convinced her parents to betroth her to him because it was what God wanted.
@nov_way - No girls like to be forced to have sex, however. This doesn’t even go into other wives/sex slaves of Muhammad from villages he and his demonic followers pillaged, some raped right in the village of their murdered husbands and families. How’s that for a prophet.
@SlickRick297 - I am not trying to put you in danger with my blog, anymore than you are trying to put me in danger by physically occupying a Muslim country. It is possible that we both truly believe that we are doing the right thing. The best thing to do is probably to agree to disagree and move on. Otherwise if you persist I am going to pull out more the stops and you are going to end up becoming truly enraged.
Nothing is more important than our freedom of speech, and the airing of different opinions and perspectives no matter how unpalatable they be. It almost seems to me like you have a preference for the culture of our enemies. You can say that it’s unfortunate that I have the freedom to offend them, but what is truly unfortunate is what they have done to Egypt, and what they did to Constantinople. Those are the real crimes and offenses.
It seems to me like you are quoting propaganda at this point. “War on terror?” Seriously? Define terror. What is the scope of this war and the duration? This is an undefined and undeclared war. The only purpose of this war is socio-political. Personally I ascribe “1984″ type motives to our government, and my theory is that the purpose of this war is to drain resources and productivity. You cannot keep the Muslims from breeding another generation of terrorists. They create terrorists because of how their religion teaches them to view the world. Also, you do know that the US government created Al Qaida yes? Why do you think the new people they set up will be any different/better in the long run? If they were serious about fighting terror they would nuke Mecca and Medina and be done with it rather than waste human lives and equipment on an undeclared and undefined war.
@nov_way - You are going to have to be more specific.
Wait, are you justifying a 50+ year old man marrying a 9 year old girl?
@Midnight_Masochist - Yes I don’t really care for either of those types of people. Everyone should be treated equally, and allowed to rise of fall to the apex of their abilities without special treatment or discrimination being involved.
Oh I have no intention of taking this post down. In fact I will be making more like it and not apologizing. BTW, was the rest of your comment intended to for SlickRick? Because if so then you forgot to tag him.
I still tend to forget to do that. Way back in the day, we walked to school uphill barefoot in the snow, and we didn’t have a reply button under our Xanga posts. LOL It was a comment I made based on what several were saying, him included. It wasn’t necessarily directed at one person, but it wasn’t intended to be directed at you, either. My bad!
@Midnight_Masochist - Walked uphill, in the snow, barefoot, and both ways.
You know that guy seems genuinely scared over what could happen because of my post. Of course I don’t want anything to happen to anyone, but I also don’t believe in giving in to bullies and terrorists. When I was a kid the bullies were always trying to do stuff to me and I didn’t give into them then either. Even if it was a kid that was older and way bigger than me I fought back if they tried to do something. The fact that people are savages is a poor excuse for exempting them from criticism. If I may be permitted go to redneck for a moment “I would learn them a lesson.”
Also I don’t agree with all the wars. This “War on Terror” thing is an undefinied and undeclared war, and you can’t win wars like that. It’s just a huge waste of lives and resources. We ought to pull out of all their countries and ban them from coming to ours. I am onboard with Geert Wilders.
Anyways, nothing I have posted here is half as offensive as some of the stuff on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggR0_pRWu8
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Very true. There’s MUCH worse out on the internet than in this post, with far greater visibility. Xanga is very small potatoes in comparison to many other networks where others are stating even worse sentiments than you did here. I don’t think we can help the Middle East anymore. In general, I feel as Americans, we get kicked regardless. WWI and WWII, we tried to stay out of it. The world got angry that we didn’t intervene, so we did. We were reluctant to get involved with the more recent Libyan crisis, and other nations kept pushing for us to butt in. Had we ignored the issues in the Middle East, the world would hate us. The Middle East would hate us. So we stepped in, and now the world still hates us. It’s almost funny.
I agreed with Ron Paul. We needed to pull out of there completely. Why risk our own men for this? Why send out people like @slickrick297 to defend people who jump in front of the news camera and say they don’t want us there? He’s got a family that loves him. All our servicemen do. I don’t want him or his colleagues to be targeted by radicals who are too narrow minded to accept that not everyone will bow to their demands or worship their God. I want our troops back home.
Reading this post and some of the comments are truly alarming. Wow, I’m shocked at the fact there are such dense and ignorant people still living in this world. How sad to hear that narrow minded people still exist…
@DrummingMediocrity - Yea…but I also grew a sexy stash that more than makes up for the few xtra lbs…
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - abortion docs killed, gays killed, mosques fire bombed, etc etc etc…Left unchecked and if we turned into a theocracy, I am sure we would see the same things here we are seeing in Muslim countries.
Islam and Christianity are cousins. Similar and both can lead to terrible ends when taken to the extreme. Hey Atheism is no different…the USSR and China used it as justifications for horrible things too.
The problem is you are blinded by your faith….just like Islam….but you are their cousin.
@DrummingMediocrity - seriously? Do you honestly believe people would consider following the teachings of a religion whose prophet is the way you — and the others– have described?
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -@mtngirlsouth - No one said she was forced into the marriage.
And nah, he doesn’t need defending. However, it would be rather nice if people actually cared enough to learn the truth without being so ready to attack both his name and the religion he cared about.
Story time:
After the loss of his first wife, a woman who liked to play matchmaker proposed two names to him: Aisha ( the young one) and Souda ( an older woman) and he chose the latter. Later on, he did marry Aisha, that’s true, but it is worth mentioning, though, that Aisha’s hand was asked for marriage by a different guy before Muhammed, so she was open to the idea of marriage the way women of that time were because back then females hit puberty at an early age and yes, that, by definition, makes her an adult. And two consenting adults are perfectly ok to get married to one another regardless of the age- difference.
One must be honest and notice how he picked the older woman first and how a matchmaker found Aisha to be suitable for marriage. As in, she looked like a grown woman. The end.
P.s: what I said before the story makes it seem like I actually cared which is rather amusing.
One of the joys typing-out a comment provides. Good night =)
I’m no fan of Islam but I don’t think it’s good to write things to purposely upset people either. It is completely your right to believe and say as you wish. But intent is important. As a Christian, I am certain there are things I say and believe that Muslims consider blasphemy. However I am not going to go out of my way to be spiteful or rude. That is not what the Bible teaches me to do.
@tendollar4ways - Again, if you want to see what things would look like if the majority of people were Christians you need only look back in US history to earlier times. We do have history.
As for those other things, I doubt you can come up with more than a handful of incidents, and even if you did it is only fair to attribute it to Christianity if there is a Biblical basis for those behaviors. Therein lies the difference, because Islam is the only religion that tells it’s followers to spread by force and take the women of unbelievers as war booty.
@firetyger - Well why not? Elijah mocked the prophets of Baal and ridiculed their god, and Jesus mocked the religious leaders of his day and called them all sorts of insulting things. I think that Islam needs to be taken down a peg. Look at how arrogant they are, and look at how the liberal media goes along with them by referring to their founder as “the prophet Muhammad.” He wasn’t any kind of prophet, he was a disgusting child molestor, and I don’t feel like cutting people who disfigure their wives, kill their children, and poison neighbors dogs any slack.
@nov_way - Of course they would. People do all kinds of nasty things all the time. Aztecs used to rip out human hearts, and in some parts of the world people still eat people.
No I don’t believe that a 9 year old girl is willing or prepared to marry a 50 year old woman, nor is she prepared to understand what that entails. The fact that a matchmaker would hook them up or that another man was interested in her just goes to show how sick that culture was, and indicates that any ideology based in that culture ought to be shunned.
Not that it’s relevant, but why do you assume that girls in that part of the world were undergoing puberty at an earlier age? What documentary evidence do you have to support that notion? What mechanism would have caused them to go through puberty at an earlier age? Now, today girls ARE starting to develop earlier, but that is largely attributable to the bovine growth hormones in our food.
In our culture 9 years old is a 4th grader. Have you seen what 4th graders are like? Now imagine one of those witha 50 year old man. A 50 year old man is grandpa. You ask a 4th grader if they would like to go out and marry a 50 year old man and see what they say. If Muhammad were around today he would have been arrested as a sex offender, but in some parts of the world, like Afghanistan, it still goes on.
@Midnight_Masochist - That’s exactly right. One thing my dad told me when I was a little kid is that when you give people lots of free stuff they come to hate you over time. When he told me that I didn’t understand, because all I knew was that I liked getting new toys and candy whenever I could. However, as an adult I have seen that statement proven correct over and over again. All these parents who try to buy their kids good behavior by giving them lots of things just end up having bratty kids. If you look at the welfare crowd they get pretty livid about their supply of unearned money, and it seems like they have a lot of hatred for the people whose money they take. Also you have so many countries that the US has helped, which mostly just hate on us now. The problem is that people get a sense of entitlement, and they think you exist to service them, and if you don’t put out then they hate you, but if you do put out then they still despise you.
We should also take the troops out of Germany and Japan. Those countries are no longer a threat, and it doesn’t look like they are going to be ever again. The way things are done now is so stupid. It’s like a retarded version of Imperialism. The Romans would expand and occupy new countries, and often that was a result of those people messing with the Romans, but the Romans would make them pay for the trouble. If we are going to have troops all over the world then the least we can do is extract taxes from those countries. It would help our government with it’s mega debt on some level. But if we aren’t there defending US interests, and we aren’t making them pay for the war then it’s just a pointless waste to be there. A better thing to do is bring the troops home and have them secure our borders. Also, all the foreign aid needs to be stopped. I was completely flabbergasted when our government decided to give money to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. Before they even talk about raising taxes they need to cut out all the freebees.
@shezadey - what are you talking about?
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Yes, there is much entitlement afloat. It’s overseas, it’s in our own country. It’s sad is what it is.
It’s the reason I wasn’t on board with the Occupy movement. I found a ‘proposed’ list of demands online that the Occupier wanted everyone to get on board with. It was contradictory, unrealistic, and ridiculous. I ended up writing a bloggy rant on my author’s blog, even though I try to keep religion and politics off of that site. Absolutely outrageous. And while it wasn’t the official list of demands, the problem was the movement wasn’t well organized, and they never came up with a concrete M.O. for what they were trying to achieve. “Hey, let’s hang out in a park and complain. That’ll fix it.” They were hanging out in the wrong park. If they really wanted change, they should have carried those complaints to DC.
@Midnight_Masochist - Yea the Occupy movement was no good. My impression is that it was an attempted communist revolution. They also had some severe anti-semitism there, and some of those guys were closely tied to the Islamic community. Even though the media tried to make them look good the news about rapes still leaked out. My impression of them is that they came from the shallowest end of the gene pool. But you know what, even if they were trying to cause positive change and were completely spot on I bet the government would have still ignored all of their demands. It’s just a myth that we actually have a representative government.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Therein lies the difference, because Islam is the only religion that tells it’s followers to spread by force and take the women of unbelievers as war booty. You should read your bible. Judges 21:10-24 NLT, Numbers 31:7-18 NLT, Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB, etc etc etc etc…
Same exact sheeeit.
Not just in that part of the world but in general some girls do develop earlier regardless of where they’re from. It doesn’t concern me what you find to be an acceptable behavior for what I care about are the facts. What to say about a person who bashes a religion just because they hate it so much so they try and insult what symbolizes said religion?
It is bad to be racist but it is ok to do this? Think about it.
@tendollar4ways - No it’s not the same, because those wars were limited in both time and scope. If you read the Bible you will find that God often used one people group to judge another. For example, he told the Israelites to wage war on the Canaanites, some they simply conquered, while others they were told to destroy completely. But then later he sends the Assyrians to judge the northern tribes of Israel, and after that is done there is no longer any northern kingdom. Also, we live in NT times so if you believe the Bible we are no longer called to make war on anyone specifically. We are however permitted to defend ourselves, which is good.
You can argue that perhaps God used Islam to judge the Christians and Jews (which would be purely speculative), which is similar to what the medieval Europeans believed about the Mongols, but even if he did that does not justify their actions or beliefs. For example, the Assyrians practiced a whole multitude of horrors, ranging from slicing open pregnant women and pulling the babies out, to covering their siegecraft with human skins. The Assyrians also connected people to chains with meat hooks going through their bodies, and conquered peoples were all forcefully relocated. But if you read in Jonah God was on the verge of destroying the Assyrians for their wickedness, even though he allowed them to conquer the northern Kingdom of Israel earlier. Similarly in time God will judge Islam. But I digress…
In Islam they are told to make perpetual war on the infidels, with no limit in time or scope. That is also why they divide the world into the “Dar al Islam” and “Dar al Harb.” Dar al Harb means literally “abode of war,” and that is the term that they use to apply to all lands not under Sharia law. I mean, you do see the difference between a finite war and a perpetual unlimited war right? If you need an analogy, you can compare WWII to the current “War on Terror” which also has no limit in time or scope.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I know you think your religion is different and “Special”. Hey, you are very faithful to it but it is no different than Islam. Sure in particulars and rituals etc but at the very heart…they are brothers or cousins.
Us evil liberals keep you guys in check and keep you from going all theocracy and hanging gays like the movement in Uganda. Left to your own devices..a Theocratic America would look much like the Theocratic Muslim Countries.
They are Conservatives homey…your Kin.
@nov_way - A nine year old with a 50 year old man is disgusting. Do you think that a 9 year old kid has the presence of mind or maturity to understand what is happening? That sort of behavior deserves to be bashed. My guess is you’re a Muslim, because no one else would defend that sort of behavior. It’s understandable that you want to defend your religion, and your founder, but you have to understand that the rest of us do not see this man as admirable. How old are you? 20 something? 30 something? How would you like to marry an 80 year old man at your age? I don’t think it would be wrong for you to do that, since you are a consenting adult old enough to understand and make an informed decision, but that is the age difference. Do you find it attractive or revolting?
If I hate Islam there is a reason for it, actually lots of reasons. I don’t hold modern Muslims responsible for the sack of Constantinople or the conquest of Egypt, but I do hold Islam responsible.
People can’t help what race they are born into, but you can help what religion or ideology you choose to follow. So while I may not hate you on an individual basis, I may still be leery of you because of the ideology which you subscribe to. To me your religion is no better than Nazism, in fact I would say that it’s even worse in terms of wanton cruelty and a disrespect for human life. Look at this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/two-arrested-over-naomi-oni-acid-attack-as-police-investigate-claims-the-victorias-secret-shop-assistant-may-have-deliberately-harmed-herself-8508437.html
@tendollar4ways - Again, no. If you want to see what the country would look like if it was a majority Christian country you need only look back in time to the early 1900′s, 1800′s, and during the time of the Founding Fathers. How many examples of violence against homosexuals can you cite in American history? Probably only a handful. And again, if you want to tie it with Christianity you have to cite a Biblical motivation for it. Otherwise you have to tie it in with something else. There is no logical basis for you clinging to a fictitious narrative when it’s not borne out by historical evidence.
Calling Muslims conservatives is about as silly as applying the same term to party loyalists in China, or some of the old Russians who want to go back to the good old days of Soviet Russia. Comments like that are clearly intended only to inflame. But as you may have noticed, I don’t really get inflamed by individuals commenting here.
In non-white 3rd world countries violence against homosexuals is a matter of course, just like rape is also fairly common. The thing about 3rd world countries is that they have less of a concept of individuality, and place more emphasis on conformity and fulfilling social expectations. They also engage in much more social policing, on a scale that most white people in western countries can only imagine. You, and others like you, have no idea what is out there, or what the rest of the world is like, and yet, it is you guys who support open borders and flooding our country with people from the 3rd world. BTW I have been to a 3rd world country and 3 other countries besides that. Where have you been?
For the record, I don’t support theocracy because in order for it to actually work you need the deity to be present, otherwise you still have humans making laws for humans based on their personal opinions. I am actually much closer to anarchy, or perhaps anarcho-nationalism. But I cannot emphasize enough, that if the US were majority Christian it would be like it was when the Founding Fathers drafted the declaration of Independence and the Articles of Confederation. People like you would never have rebelled against England or complained against their policies. You would have been a loyalist. Also, I disagree sharply that liberalism is good for the country or that you are “keeping us in check.” I know that’s what you think, but the growing influence of liberalism has been destroying this country economically and socially by increments, which is why we see crime and poverty going up, as well as divorce and children born outside of wedlock. Of course this was all by design, but not your design. You guys have no actual control over the Democrats or our government in general. They are a special brand of elitists who do whatever they want. What they want is to reduce our country to 3rd world status, and that is what they are doing.
@tendollar4ways - Almost forgot. I want to ask you a very serious question, and this is not making fun of you at all, I am being completely serious. Do you believe in the concept of the ubermensch? I’m not talking about race. What I mean is do you believe that those in government are superior to the average citizen in terms of virtue, intellect, or both?
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - We had slavery until 1863? You diminish the value of Freedom of Religion and it is very annoying.
I would argue our demise is due to other factors but I just don’t have the time or desire.
I have been to Mexico and Mexico is a anarchists paradise…not pretty.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Missed this and of course not. Most if not all are pawns and brown nosers who know how to play the game. I think somone said…we have a terrible form of government…however it is better than all the rest.
@tendollar4ways - Well, we didn’t all have slavery. The northern colonies which were set up based on religious principles banned slavery. It was the southern colonies which were set up for commercial reasons where they had slavery. For the sake of convenience the northern colonies (which laid down the ideological principles upon which this country was founded), they allowed the southerners to have their slavery. But at the same time I don’t want to pigeonhole all southerners as being pro-slavery, because the majority of them in fact did not own slaves. Anyways, they allowed the southern colonies to have their slaves because they needed their help in rebelling against the English, but as a result the country was divided, with a free north and a slave holding south. Of course today slavery is gone, which is a good thing, but now we have abortion which is at least as bad as slavery.
Where did I ever say I was against freedom of religion?
OK so you have been to a 3rd world country. I imagine that Mexico is fairly similar to India in a lot of ways, although given the choice I would rather live in India. The thing about Mexico is it is not pure anarchy, and for that matter neither is India. In both cases you have a government that forbids law abiding citizens from owning guns, which of course favors the criminals. Of course there are pros and cons to living in India, and a different set of pros and cons to living in the US, but for the record I am not a full fledged anarchist. I believe I said I was closer to anarchy or anarcho-nationalism, exact words, than theocracy. I do not support theocracy.
I am glad you answered my question, and I agree with most of what you said there. However, knowing that they are a bunch of corrupt clowns, my next question is do you want to give them more power? Don’t you think it would be better to have government be small enough that we could drown it in the bathtub?
I think conservitives fall into the trap of semantics. “Government” is deemed evil and freedom is king. Which is another conservative failing which is over simplification.
In Mexico, the Cartels are the defacto government in many places and for the anarchists who think utopia will rise if we just get rid of government are simple minded fools.
The Koch Brothers of the world know this Oh too well and they know if they can create a government “they can drown in a bathtub” they will in turn fill that vacume and they then become the defacto government without the pesky elections, lobbying and silliness they see now.
Koch Cartel is what they are looking for and for all your defense of freedom, you in reality are lining up and volunteering to be ruled and ultimately for giving up your freedoms to the all powerful.
You ultimately are what you despise and you don’t even realise it.
“Government” is many things and has many manifestations.
Oh and I forgot. I tire of the lame Not a True Christian BS.
Southern States not real Xtians, Northern States real Christians. So friggin lame.
@tendollar4ways - Not exactly. I didn’t say I wanted to get rid of government, but I do want for it to be possible to get rid of the government, or to secede. Especially if the government is not doing it’s job. Right now our government is doing some truly wicked things, which will trample on the freedom of everyone here. As I said, I am not a full fledged anarchist, but we are headed toward “1984″ right now, and I would like to either turn things back or start all over again. Rough freedom on any day is still better than rough tyranny.
I didn’t say they weren’t Christians, I said that they were founded for commercial purposes rather than religious, and that was what their society was based on. Just like the colonies of the Caribbean which were established by France and Spain. There were Christians there, but they were not the ones that shaped policy.
It’s not lame, the fact is you made a series of accusations and I responded to everything you have said as thoroughly as possible.
Some people really don’t care for the age difference. Notice how you intentionally chose to describe her as a “9 year old child” even though she wasn’t a child? And I don’t mean just the physical part of what makes a person an adult: the way she spoke and the things she cared about– they do prove she was an adult of high intellect. Seriously, you might want to read up on her and the way she lived her entire life.
Sometimes I mistake teenagers to be older than they truly are because of the way they carry themselves, their clothing style, etc. and the same can be said about her. Meaning she looked like a young lady, yes, but that’s pretty much it.
Regarding that link: So just because someone wore that piece of cloth it automatically proves they were infact a muslim and that Islam is all for that kind of behaviour? Come on.
I appreciate the fact that you find it understandable for me to defend my religion, however, it doesn’t really need it nor was I really aiming for that; I was simply trying to say that true Islam is one thing and all that other nonsense about pedophilia and attacking innocent people is another. I would not accept a religion that would encourage such things.
Btw, Hi, I’m Nora, and you just burst my ‘secret-identity’ bubble. You?
@nov_way - The fact that you think it’s OK for a 50 year old man to marry a 9 year old just underscores how incompatible your culture is with ours. Totally different set of values. I never saw a 9 year old that looked like a woman. Yes there are some intelligent kids, but that doesn’t justify having a sexual relationship with them. I know your religion says it’s OK, and you have to think that Muhammad is a role model, but that doesn’t cut it with anyone else.
You’re glossing over the fact that they captured those people who assaulted her, and let them go. It’s a known fact that they are Muslims. You could argue that it is an isolated incident if it happened once, but it happens with high frequency in Central Asia, and with less frequency in the Middle East and North Africa, but it still happens there. I don’t want it to start happening in my country. If it happens to my daughter, sister, or wife, then someone is going to pay a heavy price. I have already received threats.
But you just said it was OK for Muhammad to marry and have sexual relations with a 9 year old. Are you backtracking? If you subjectively redefine pedophilia then you can argue that no one is a pedophile, even guys who have intercourse with babies. What if a guy my age wanted to marry your 9 year old daughter? Would you be OK with that?
I still think it’s dangerous to have you guys living in our countries, and that position is borne out by evidence. In England they have Sharia patrols, and Sharia courts. Muslims just bombed in Hyderabad, and I was there this summer. Before that they bombed Mumbai. Also there was the Madrid train bombing a few years back. To me those things are serious offenses. That is also why I believe that having large numbers of Muslims present is a security risk. Even things like poisoning a neighbors dog because they think dogs are unclean is unacceptable to me. I don’t care if anyone’s religion tells them that my dog is unclean, or that my wife should cover everything but her face and hands. No one who enacts violence against me is going to receive sympathy or mercy. When you’re a guest in someone else’s house, or country, then you have to behave yourself, and if you don’t then they are within their rights to evict you. So you say you don’t approve of violent attacks? What about the Wahabbis? Are they Muslims? What about Hamas, Hizballah, and Al Qaida?
My culture is definitely not OK with that, and I never said it was so relax, will you?
Right upfront: Regarding Al-qaeda, the other names you’ve mentioned, the bombings and the other examples you’ve provided: I couldn’t care less about the people frankly. I care about myself. I wouldn’t subscribe to a religion that believed it is OK to do anything that would harm anyone for no reason.
A consenting adult is a consenting adult whether they were 15 or 50. She just so happened to be 9– that doesn’t take away from the fact that she was mentally, physically, and psychologically mature enough to get married. Reread that line, please.
And back then they were expected to act responsibly at a much younger age while that’s definitely not the case now so just because I can understand how it was acceptable then for them to do so, that’s no longer the case.
Again, my culture is perfectly normal. Perfectly normal. In the sense that people go to school when they’re 6, be expected to be just kids for 18 years or so aka irresponsible brats, go to college, have their degree, get a job then maybe get married right away.
By mentioning those bombings and such, are you trying to make me believe that muslims are the only ones terrorizing innocent people?
@nov_way - OK, then where is it they get their ideas from?
Yes I saw what you said, I just don’t agree with your logic.
Again, it is your religion so you have to believe it. For example, my religion teaches that polygamy was acceptable in the past, but not anymore. Therefore, I take the position that it was acceptable once but not anymore. I do not however have any obligation to accept a 50 year old man with a 9 year old girl. That’s just gross. Even if he liked younger women he could have gotten himself a 20 year old, who would have been able to give him normal adult sex. But this is a profound ideological and cultural difference between us.
“Normal” really isn’t a valid term to use when comparing cultures, because what is normal for one culture is not necessarily normal for another. For example, for the US divorce is normal, but for India it is a serious taboo. You cannot say divorce or the lack thereof is objectively normal cross-culturally. Normal is relative.
Oh no, Muslims are not the only ones terrorising. That is for sure. I definitely believe that our crap-heap government was responsible for Sandy Hook and at least partly responsible for 9/11. Not to mention that they sponsored Al-Qaida, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Hamas. I am very critical of the crap heap government, but I also don’t want to live as a Dhimmi, and I don’t want Sharia in my country. I am a nationalist, which means that I believe everyone should get their own country where they can be the majority. Even you guys, and you guys do have lots of countries where you are the majority. I don’t believe that all cultures are compatible or that all cultures should live together. Ideally we wouldn’t mess with you and you wouldn’t mess with us. I disagree with our government’s involvement in the Middle East and North Africa sharply, but I also don’t want Muslims coming to my country in large blocs. All that will do is make the US into another Middle East, car bombings and all. We have countries and borders for a reason.
@nov_way - Did you not know this?
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - The scene where Elijah and the prophets of Baal are having a demonstration of whose God is the true God is a pretty powerful public scene. He did not mock them simply to stir their anger, but as a way of pointing out that Baal was not going to come down and answer their prayers because he was not a god. And then went on to pray to Jehovah who answered his prayers instantly and burned up his sacrifice.
I recall passages of Christ showing righteous anger at injustices being down by the pharisees. But where does he ever mock them?
To me, criticism is fine if the topic of discussion is worthy of such. But to simply mock with the intent to incite anger? That to me has no purpose in any discussion. Point out the things that are wrong with Islam. But don’t make it your intention to purposely piss people off. The truth speaks for itself. Acting rude for the sake of being rude won’t change any minds and will only cast you in a poor light.
-My religion actually encourages us to question things– to know why this or that is ok and good or not. That is the religion I accept to believe in and why I remain to do so. While others may disagree, I don’t *have* to make myself believe anything. It is not a duty. I simply believe in it because I genuinely think it to be right.
-My logic? What about yours? You try so hard to blame every bad thing possible on Islam and its teachings while for a fact you don’t know it well enough.
-As for where they get their ideas from, well, ask them. Again, what matters to me is the religion and its teachings. People are people are people, regardless of where they’re from and what they choose to believe in or not.
-Everything is relative, nothing new about that, however, the kind of lifestyle I mentioned did sound pretty normal –or if you like ‘average’ — to you, did it not?
-Good thing I’m one of those who don’t travel to the u.s, or anywhere else for that matter, isn’t it now?