February 12, 2013

  • “Middle Class”

    I’m thinking that “Middle Class” is actually a code word for “Welfare Recipients.”  After all, that is the only class that seems to be growing right now, and the only class Obama is helping to grow.

Comments (11)

  • Yes it is true! The old middle class just got a tax raise, something that piece of trash labeled “president” said he would not do.

  • Please oh wise one, tell me how obama is helping to increase the number of people on welfare.

  • Yes. And I am about to become a distinguished member.

  • @LadyboyRevolution - None of his promises should be taken seriously, except for the bad ones.  You know, it always mystified me when he spoke of the “Middle Class” because I could never determine what group he was talking about.  Now I have a pretty good idea though.

  • @agnophilo - Very well, pull up a chair my young Padawon…

    First of all, as I said earlier, his tax hikes have hurt the job market, and employers have had to cut back on employees.

    Second, Obamacare has caused employers to cut back on pay and hours.

    Third, he wants to grant citizenship to 11 million illegal immigrants.  What do you think the first thing they are going to do is?

    Finally, and this one is not specific to him, but more applicable to his party in general.  He has done nothing to curb existing welfare.  In fact, he campaigned on welfare as part of his platform.  Paying people for not working, and giving them more money for each additional child they have incentivises that lifestyle and caused that bracket to breed more, which means they grow more.

    Here you can see how welfare has gone up: http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/files/2012/08/republican-welfare-chart.jpg

  • @Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -

    “Very well, pull up a chair my young Padawon…

    First of all, as I said earlier, his tax hikes have hurt the job market, and employers have had to cut back on employees.”

    When he came into office the country was losing the better part of a million jobs a month with tax rates at nearly their lowest point in a century (Unemployment plummeted in the mid-1940′s after the great depression when the top tax rate was 94% by the way).  After he took office obama and the democrats passed the largest single tax cut in US history.  And taxes don’t necessarily hurt the job market any more than they help it, they just shift jobs around to different sectors.  Taxes are exclusively used to buy products and services from individuals and corporations, ie create and maintain jobs.  That being said strategic use of tax funds can help economies or save industries from collapse, but that’s how the money is used not the blind dogma that “taxes hurt the economy”.  Republicans pretend like tax money is just launched into the sun by nasa and has no stimulative effect whatsoever.  A dollar is a dollar and demand is demand, whether it comes from the government or the private sector is largely irrelevant.

    “Second, Obamacare has caused employers to cut back on pay and hours.”

    No, the requirement that they give benefits to full time employers did that years ago.

    “Third,
    he wants to grant citizenship to 11 million illegal immigrants.  What
    do you think the first thing they are going to do is?”

    So now he’s hurting the economy by just the power of his thoughts?

    “Finally,
    and this one is not specific to him, but more applicable to his party
    in general.  He has done nothing to curb existing welfare.  In fact, he
    campaigned on welfare as part of his platform.  Paying people for not
    working, and giving them more money for each additional child they have
    incentivises that lifestyle and caused that bracket to breed more, which
    means they grow more.”

    I’m sorry, but if you think a few extra dollars of food stamps to help someone’s kid not starve is enough to make someone want to have more kids you are an idiot.

    “Here you can see how welfare has gone up: http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/files/2012/08/republican-welfare-chart.jpg

    Yes, it has.  Google “post hoc ergo propter hoc”, also known as the post hoc fallacy.  Then find any chart of any economic indicator that doesn’t come from a dishonest partisan website and starts before he came into office and you will see that the trend of economic decline and the rise of poverty did not magically begin when a black man was elected president.

  • @agnophilo - OK, I don’t know what tax cut you’re talking about.  I know that they RENEWED the Bush tax cuts, but where do you get this “single largest tax cut” from?  I do recall that Obama gave money away, even I got an Obama check because at the time I was not employed full time and he was mailing out checks to poor people.

    Taxes don’t shift jobs around, unless you are referring to the fact that they put a strain on the private sector in favor of public sector jobs whenever the government decides to expand.

    “Taxes are exclusively used to buy products and services from individuals and corporations, ie create and maintain jobs.”–That’s just wrong.  In the case of government expansion you can argue that using tax money to have the government hire more people creates jobs, albeit government jobs, but not all of the government money goes to that.  Entitlement spending is even larger than the military budget for all the useless wars.  BTW, how come you aren’t complaining about the wars anymore?  Also there is all the foriegn aid money, including countries which are paid regularly by the US like Porkistan.

    “That being said strategic use of tax funds can help economies or save industries from collapse, but that’s how the money is used not the blind dogma that “taxes hurt the economy”.”–Taxes do hurt the economy.  The more money my employer has to pay in taxes the less money he can give to me.  The more money I have to pay in taxes, the less money I can give to me.  You want to know what really pisses me off?  I’ll tell you what really pisses me off.  I have to lose 400 to 500 a month from each paycheck on taxes.  At the end of the day I bring in about 1,600 a month.  For one person that is fine, but how do you think I will support a family on that?  Also how do you think I will afford medical insurance in case my wife gets pregnant?  You know, that money goes to pay for a whole mess of things that I don’t believe in, including supporting illegal immigrants and welfare parasites.  Why should I have to forego having kids so that my money can be spent to support someone else’s?  But I digress.  The fact is that government does not generate wealth.  Government gets all of it’s wealth by collecting money from the citizens.  When was the last time you bought your food at Governmart Groceries?  When was the last time you ate out at McGovernment’s?  When was the last time you went shopping for clothes at Abercrombie and Government?  When was the last time you got a car from Crazy Government’s Used Car Lot?  I think never, because most of the money that the government takes is frittered away on useless things.  The only thing the government does is redistribute resources and regulate production, and the way they do it is usually terrible.  Look at the financial hole they are in.

    If you had been following the news, you would have read at least a few articles about massive lay-offs following Obama’s re-election and the fiscal cliff deal.

    And now less people are hiring full time employees in order to avoid paying their medical.  Again, you are not paying attention to the news.

    Your question was, “How is Obama helping to increase the number of people on Welfare?”  My answer included everything that he is working on that I know of, and he is working on legalizing all those illegal immigrants, which means more welfare.

    It’s not just a few extra dollars, and even if it were, it adds up on a mass scale.  If you don’t like the chart I gave you about the rise of welfare there are plenty of others.

    If you don’t like the chart I used then you can pick any other chart.  The numbers have gone up.  I blame the policies of Obama and the Democraps, as well as the sell out Republicans who go along with them.

    Now I want to say something about how things are different now from how they were in the 1940s.  The way that wealth is generated is by production, which means taking things that have less value and turning them into something that has more value.  For example, turning raw minerals into a car or computer.  Now, traditionally most of our production was done in the US, which was why the economy could handle higher taxes, to a point, but now most of the production is overseas.  So most of what is being taxed isn’t production, but it’s the service industry.  This model is not sustainable.  The reason why most of the production has gone overseas is because it’s cheaper, and wealth flows in the direction where it can be utilized most efficiently.  High taxes, and higher wages are the reason why production was moved overseas.  We can undo some of those effects by having lower wages and protective tarrifs on foreign goods in the US.  Also lowering taxes would help.

  • @agnophilo - I have another question for you.  Why is Obama black?

  • @Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - He’s only black when it’s convenient.  

  • @DrummingMediocrity - That’s right, but I want to see someone build an objective case for his being black.  You see how he stopped talking after that?  If they are going to continually accuse us of hating this man for being black (which is of course groundless in and of itself), then let them at least build a case for his being black.

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