February 4, 2013
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Drone Attacks Planned on US Citizens
This ought to be enough to make any sane and/or non-retarded person never vote Democrat again.
Instead, it says, an “informed, high-level” official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack and “there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities.” The memo does not define “recently” or “activities.”
As in Holder’s speech, the confidential memo lays out a three-part test that would make targeted killings of American lawful: In addition to the suspect being an imminent threat, capture of the target must be “infeasible, and the strike must be conducted according to “law of war principles.” But the memo elaborates on some of these factors in ways that go beyond what the attorney general said publicly. For example, it states that U.S. officials may consider whether an attempted capture of a suspect would pose an “undue risk” to U.S. personnel involved in such an operation. If so, U.S. officials could determine that the capture operation of the targeted American would not be feasible, making it lawful for the U.S. government to order a killing instead, the memo concludes.
And yes, they do want to deploy drones over the US. It is on their list of things to do. The fact is we have an unlawful adminstration which sees us as their enemy. We have an adminstration who is loyal to outside forces, such as the UN, who opposes both our sovereignty and our personal freedom.
A recent Department of Defense report to Congress as well as a number of media investigations have exposed government plans to deploy tens of thousands of drones over the US mainland in the coming years.
An investigative report published over the weekend by the Christian Science Monitor cited the government’s own estimates that “as many as 30,000 drones could be part of intelligence gathering and law enforcement here in the United States within the next ten years.”
Source: http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2012/06/dron-j18.html
Anyone who would still seriously consider voting for the Democrats again after this egregous affront to our freedom and privacy has to be out of their mind, retarded, or demon possessed.
Both Obama and Eric Holder should have been impeached and kicked out a long time ago. They are both scum. Even the ACLU, which is well known to be a crack pot ultra left wing organization, recognizes the danger of this. The parameters the Obama adminstration presents are highly subjective, and could be stretched to include anything. Of course, they could kill whoever they want with these drones, and simply not reveal any more information as to why the operation took place than they care to. This is a huge crock.
The Republicans are worthless for not holding these enemies on US soil accountable. What are the Republicans doing? They never should have given Obama a moment’s peace. They never should have dropped the birth certificate issue, or Fast and the Furious. Now we have Benghazi, and on top of that this. Also, let’s not forget how many of our enemies Obama is giving money to, and let’s not forget about Agenda 21. Why aren’t the Republicans doing anything about agenda 21?
Anyone who shoots down any of these drones is a hero in my book. Please shoot the drones down guys.
Now we also have micro drones to worry about:
LONDON (AP) — British soldiers in Afghanistan have been issued with surveillance drones so small they can fit in the palm of a man’s hand.
The Scandinavian-designed Black Hornet Nano weighs as little as 16 grams (roughly half an ounce) — the same as a finch. The 4-inch (10-centimeter) -long helicopter is fitted with a tiny camera which relays still images and video to a remote terminal.
“We used it to look for insurgent firing points and check out exposed areas of the ground before crossing, which is a real asset,” said Sgt. Christopher Petherbridge, with Britain’s Brigade Reconnaissance Force. In a statement, he called the Hornet easy to operate and said it offered “amazing capability to the guys on the ground.”
The military said Sunday that the toy-like Hornet is capable of flying even in windy conditions.
It said the Hornet was developed by Norway’s Prox Dynamics AS as part of a 20 million-pound ($31 million) contract for 160 units with southern England’s Marlborough Communications Ltd.
Drones of all shapes and sizes have rapidly become a mainstay of U.S., British and other nations’ military operations around the world. Late last year the U.K. said it was doubling the size of its armed drone fleet in Afghanistan to 10 with the purchase of a new batch of Reapers.
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/uk-sends-hand-held-helicopter-drones-war-zone-101428321–finance.html
This reminds me of something I read in Revelation:
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
–Revelation 9:2-10
When I was a little kid the book of Revelation always terrified me. It is full of such frightening imagery, much of which is difficult to imagine, and the most frightening thing about it, is that it is yet to come. But another frightening aspect, is that it is going to come with world government. That means that there will be no place to go to get away from all of this. Or almost no place, there may be some free enclaves of people that will be continually hunted, and there MAY be some places where the control is not quite so absolute, but we can’t count on maybe.
That being said, I found this particular passage especially disturbing when I was younger. What does it mean? When I was young I concluded that it was talking about some kind of hideous biological monstors, because the morphology of the creatures are all refrenced in biological terms. Tails like scorpions, bodies like locusts, faces like men, etc. What does it mean? It sounds like a horrible nightmare chimera.
But let’s think about it. Whatever these things are they are metallic (verse 9), and even though they have some insectoid characteristics they do not eat (verse 4). Or at least, they do not eat such things as are the normal eating habits of locusts.
What could make a sound like many horses running? A chopper blade, like what we already have on helicopters today. I think that what John the Revelator was talking about was some kind of drones. Think about it. If you have a 1st century man being shown modern, or futuristic technology then how is he going to describe it without all of the modern jargon being available to him? He is going to compare it with things that are present in his time. If it’s something that moves, then the comparison is going to be to biological life forms. Such a man might describe a TV as a moving tapestry. He might describe an airplane as a metal bird which shouts like thunder as it flies. Think about it.
That’s all I have to say on this one.
Comments (61)
The future terrifies me.
If it is talking about drones then I am fairly sure I am perfectly safe from drones, because I am sealed. But I think it means something they created in a lab that is biological. AS iron might mean just really hard, and not hurting could mean actual harm to the plants, which were designed to be food. Either way, I resolved a few years ago when I began to realize what was coming that I would hold fast to the faith. “To die is gain”.
I’m no fan of most of the democrats currently in office, but remember, the Republicans voted for the NDAA too. So they’re pretty darn guilty as well. We have a bunch of power hungry elites in office who are willing to kill American citizens in the name of the “War on Terror.”
OK — I skimmed through all 16 pages of the leaked memo and didn’t see the word “drone” ONCE.
What it really says is summed up in the title — “Lawfulness of a Lethal Operation Directed Against a U.S. Citizen who is a Senior Operational Leader of Al Qa’ida or An Associated Force” — in other words, “If we say you’re with Al-Qa’ida, we can kill you at our discretion.” Of course, the burden of proof won’t be on Obama, Holder, Hagel, Napolitano and Kerry — it will be upon the target or the target’s survivors.
I advise saving the leaked memo, warts and all, to your thumb drives, then reposting it “early and often,” as they say in Chicago.
As MikeWD said, it’s a catch-all giving “authority” to kill after labeled the enemy. If Bush never layed the groundwork, Obama wouldn’t be this far now. The two parties are an illusion of choice.
America is still at War against Terrorism.
@Marica0701 - Same here
@mtngirlsouth - Well if that’s the case then maybe this is still a ways off, because they have not yet mastered genetic engineering enough to create a functional chimera like that. At least, as far as I have seen. Yes I hope we die rather than live through that.
@firetyger - Yes I’m pretty angry with the Republicans as well, but for me the choice is between Republicans and a 3rd party. The Demoncrats aren’t even on the table.
Yes they are. Anyways their whole plan is to manufactor excuses to kill us. I can’t believe that the are waging a war on terror because if they were then they wouldn’t go after some terrorist groups while giving money to others. If they were waging a war on terror then they would nuke Mecca.
@mikewb1971 - Not a bad idea that. Yea who knows what these people will do?
@saturnnights - Maybe. He tends to kind of do whatever he wants. But yes, Bush was a piece of crap. Unfortunatly what so many idiots failed to realize was that the answer to Bush was someone who was less like him in all the bad ways. Someone like Ron Paul. Obama has all of Bush’s worst attributes + some extra crap.
@olwd - Yea “Terrorism.”
nope, still not enough for me to ever consider voting for a Republican/conservative. i am appalled, though.
@flapper_femme_fatale - Well you must like it then.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - You say it like these aren’t related? Or am I just missing something here?
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Well, think of it this way, they are usually decades ahead of what they let us know about. And they have already made mice with complete human blood system cells, http://smart.mit.edu/news-a-events/press-room/press-room-archive/article/8-smart-researchers-develop-mice-with-complete-human-blood-system-cells-.html
made chimeric monkeys, http://www.biotechniques.com/news/Chimeric-Monkeys-Born/biotechniques-326469.html
They have made a goat that gives spider silk milk. http://phys.org/news194539934.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jan/14/synthetic-biology-spider-goat-genetics http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/meet-spider-goat-the-dna-enhanced-web-flinging-nanny-that-may-one-day-knit-your-bones/story-fn5fsgyc-1225867617374
Rabbit eggs grow human cells http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/techinnovations/2003-09-22-chinese-stem-cell_x.htm
“In the past two years, scientists have created pigs with human blood, fused rabbit eggs with human DNA and injected human stem cells to make paralyzed mice walk.” http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7681252/#.UREqfORwXh8
Personally, I believe that tampering with human genes was what caused the flood. (“Noah was perfect in his generations.”) So that the prophecy about “He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel” could not happen because there would be none of the human seed left. (Giants) And since Jesus said it would be “as the days of Noah”, I’m thinking they will try it all again. And what do ya know? But they are wanting to make “neanderthal man” and they want an “adventurous female” to be a surrogate. http://www.technologyreview.com/view/510071/wanted-surrogate-for-neanderthal-baby/ And these are only the things they are willing to share with us. Who knows what they have done that they are not talking about. And who knows what rogue scientists with absolutely no ethics are doing in secret.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - not at all. i just find things that conservatives advocate for (or against) to be just as horrible. at best, this means i’ll switch to a liberal third party (Green Party).
@olwd - Well one thing is that Obama officially declared that the war on terror was over. Another thing is that if he were sincere about fighting terrorists then he wouldn’t be giving tax money to other terrorist groups. Why is Al Qaida bad while Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, and those various terror groups in Syria are bad? To me it’s bollox. Also what need is there to deploy drones over the US? What need? He wants to turn our country into a goolag.
@mtngirlsouth - Point well taken. It’s interesting what you said about genetic engineering before the flood. We don’t know what level of technology they had, but we can draw clues from ancient technology found in various places around the world, as well as certain artifacts in coal deposits. Also let’s not forget that the first humans were educated by God, so they may very well have known more than we did. My aunt has a similar theory, but in her case she believes that the genetic impurities were a result of angels breeding with humans.
@flapper_femme_fatale - I don’t see what could be as serious as turning our country into a giant prison goolag. That being said, in the last election I voted mostly Libertarian because the Republicans have become too liberal for me to identify with. I still voted for Romney because I wanted Obama gone, given that I knew what kind of a man he was. Of course in the end it didn’t really matter because they decided to throw away my ballot. I may as well have stayed home and played Skyrim.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - The elections are a farce. The parties pose with different people & continue to push some nightmare draconian crap from some sci-fi B movie. The president was decided before the voting began, just my opinion.
I wrote in, We The People & it counted as much as your vote, but, I didn’t have to pick a lesser evil, as if there were a such thing, no offense.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - i’m pro-choice and support same-sex marriage. for those reasons alone, i’d never vote for a conservative. they’re deal breakers.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - He did what? When was this? How did I not hear something on TV that he did that? I must have missed that in the memo regarding drones over the U.S. and sometimes, regarding giving money to other groups, if he is indeed doing that, then perhaps that is just a means to an end.
@saturnnights - Well they literally sent me a letter saying that they deliberately did not count my ballot. They were very up front about it and ballzy. I think that next time I will vote Libertarian, just as a matter of principle.
BTW are you an anarchist?
@olwd - He did indeed declare it was over: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/7772598/Barack-Obama-declares-the-War-on-Terror-is-over.html
Which techically means that the Department of Homeland Security is supposed to be dissolved. Just like how the American Cancer Society is supposed to be dissolved if they find a cure for cancer. But will they do that? No, of course not.
The desired end is the subversion of the US. Have you read 1984? If not then you should. In 1984 they state that the primary purpose of war is not to win, but to expend resources so that the domestic standard of living can be maintained at a lower level. You have to understand what kind of people these people are. They are elitists, who want to reduce the first world nations to a 3rd world level. The want for there to be an enormous gap between the ruler and the ruled, both in standard of living and intelligence. In fact John Holdren, Obamas “Science Czar” has come out and openly stated that he wants to dedevelop the US: http://deskofbrian.com/2010/09/john-holdren-obama-czar-de-develop-america-global-warming-becomes-global-climate-disruption/
You cannot under-estimate the evil of these men. They are the servants of Satan, and decent people should spit on them.
@flapper_femme_fatale - Yes I know those things are important to you. I just find it unfathomable how they can be more important than the country being turned into a goolag and people being herded into prison camps. That being said, how do you feel about forced abortions?
I actually like the drones because there are a lot of people targeting us who are on the ground, and it would be nice to get rid of them. I’m suffering some brain damage from ground weapons, and I know they were ground weapons because I was able to run from them.
Well I’ll be . . . how did I miss that?
Of course the Department of Homeland Security is not going away. It may have been started up after 9/11, but its purpose is still to protect the homeland. There is no reason for us to go back to the old ways if it couldn’t stop what happened to begin with. Now the American Cancer Society, wow, that is a bit of a stretch. They may shut that down if and when they have found the cure for cancer, but it is in no way the same as DHS. So I think that is a bad example or comparison.
@olwd - We have the 2nd Ammendment for homeland security. We never needed a department of homeland security in the past, and if we had sane policies combined with a respect for the Constitution then we would not need it now. DHS was created to keep track of DOMESTIC threats, and would not have been in the airport where those terrorists boarded. In addition, the terrorists carried plastic weapons which is how they got through the metal detectors in the first place.
You just have to check the news every day, and follow some good vloggers on youtube. I can reccomend some of the people I watch if you are interested.
Well my point about the AMS was that they were created to address a specific problem, just like DHS, and originally both organizations were supposed to disband once the desired goals were met. The problem with government organizations is that once they are created they are never dissolved, and excuses are contrived to keep them running. That is why it is better to not create government organizations in the first place.
I also tend to believe that AMS is crap, as the Federal Government is well known for being in bed with big Pharma. If they ever find a “cure” for cancer then they are going to water it down to the course of lifetime treatments and make it expensive. I know what kind of people these people are.
@Colorsofthenight - Not to sound rude, but what exactly are you talking about? Can you provide me with some clarification? Thanks.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I’m thinking terrorists could care less about our second amendment. DHS has been difficult to make work because of the stubborn people put in place of all the different organizations that the DHS oversees. So if you feel that the DHS’s job is done, then you are sorely mistaken. I think if the agencies would work together for the common good then we would not need a DHS, but until that happens, I think we are stuck with it, not that its a bad thing in my opinion. The fundamentals are just a bit mixed up.
@olwd - The thing is, you cannot win an undefined war, which is what we have now. If our government were serious about ending the threat of Islamic terror they would certainly not be funding other terrorist groups, and the quickest way to end the terror would be to end Islam. Islam could be destroyed as a religion by nuking Mecca and Medina. Nuking Mecca and Medina would be to Muslims what nuking Jerusalem would be for Christians and Jews. If Jerusalem were nuked then there is no way we could continue to believe in the Bible. If we wiped out Mecca and Medina then there would be no way they could continue to believe in the Koran. It would prove conclusively that there is no such thing as Allah and that the Koran is wrong.
DHS hasn’t put armed guards on the airplanes, and they aren’t overseas regulating who gets on the airplanes in the first place. DHS would not have averted 9/11. Those guys on the airplanes had plastic knives. The people could have stopped them but chose not to. To me that indicates a problem with our culture, the fact that no one was willing to try to stop them, rather than a need for the government getting more invasive with US citizens.
It’s true that the Muslims don’t care about our laws, but part of the purpose of the 2nd ammendment was to make certain that the citizens are equipped to deal with invasions. If we all carry guns then we can deal decisively with any mass shooters who try to pull any crap. In addition, if we deny visas to Muslims then there will be a good deal less of them entering our country.
See, the government doesn’t want to do any of these things, which tells me that they aren’t serious about dealing with the threat.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I think angels bred with humans. (Because it says “sons of God”, and the only other three places in the OT that phrase is used [Job] it clearly means angels. Also, the book of Enoch – although it is not usually considered canon.) But I think they were also messing around with genetics too. I think that’s where a lot of mythological creatures came from. Like fawns and centaurs and mermaids, and griffons and the sphinx. It may even be how the saber toothed animals came to be and some of the giant insects, although there are other theories about the environment of earth preflood that also would explain that. But I think that messing with/mixing genetics is crossing a HUGE line with God and He doesn’t like that.
@mtngirlsouth - For certain they bred with humans, but I’m thinking that those offspring would probably have been sterile, just like how mules are sterile. That being said, you could be right about the genetic engineering. It says in Genesis that all flesh was corrupt. I always assumed they were just being disgusting though.
Anyways, I wonder about genetic engineering. I have always viewed it as a tool, not necessarily wrong in and of itself, but right or wrong depending on how it is used. Just like guns. I think making unnatural abominations would be wrong, and I think that what they are doing with our food is wrong, and I also think that what they have planned for us is wrong. But, I don’t think it would be wrong to correct genetic defects, like Downs, Alopecia, etc.. To me that sort of thing would just be medicine rather than playing God.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex – You misunderstand flapper’s mentality by assuming that she’s making the slightest attempt to analyze the issues rationally using any sort of principles when she’s more like the drunken sports fans that you see on the boob tube. If this memo had been released by a President McCain or a President Romney, she would be outraged by it – “How dare they . . . !!!” and such. But because it’s Obama promulgating this sort of policy, well, that’s OK, “it’s the economy, stupid,” “we need more green energy.”
It’s as if WWE stage ethics were applied to politics – when Mr. A fights dirty and pulls brass knuckles out of his trunks, that’s bad, and the fans boo him. But when Mr. B uses the same sort of tactics, grabs a chair, whatever, well, that’s OK, because he’s the good guy we’re supposed to cheer for this week.
@mikewb1971 - That sir, is a brilliant analogy which I have never thought of myself. I know that not everyone can be reached with reason, but I try to give everyone a chance.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I agree with that too.
@mtngirlsouth - I want to tell you about this book I’m writing. Will send you a note.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I have to say you have been busy today and it seems you keep coming up with new, interesting, non-american ideas. There is no way we would nuke Mecca or Medina or any other country due to their religion. Islam is not a bad religion, it’s the extremists, which every religion has, that make up the terrorist beliefs.
I choose not to comment on the rest of your radical ideas due to them being . . . well, radical.
If I say, Have a nice day, would you take it the wrong way?
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Looking forward to it.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex – Thank you! Actually, I came to that conclusion while dealing with some of the local Romney-roids (think hemorrhoids, minus the rationality or principles) who behaved in exactly the same sort of way, only on behalf of Slick Willard Romney instead of Obama.
@olwd - That is like saying that the Nazi party wasn’t a bad party. Islam is an extremely bad religion, and no, it’s not like other religions. For example, Islam divides the world into two parts, “the abode of Islam,” and “the abode of war.” They are also called to make perpetual war, by any means, on unbelievers until the entire world is conquered. That in and of itself should say something. Another thing you dan do is look at what savage hellholes their countries are, how they treat their women, how messed up their legal systems are. It’s not because that’s how those people always were, because the Middle East used to be home to some of the world’s most brilliant and advanced civilizations. But something changed them.
So you missed my points entirely. If they were serious about a “war on terror” they would go take it out at the source. If WWII was executed in the same way as our current wars then the US would have bombed everywhere but Germany and Japan. The US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which were both had more people than Mecca and Medina put together. If our government isn’t willing to do what needs to be done then it’s time to stop dickering around, because this is a colossal waste of lives and resources.
I disagree that barring Muslims from the US is unAmerican. Not everyone is cut out to be here, and our legal system and culture is not cut out to deal with everyone being here. If you look at what the founding fathers said in the Constitution very carefully they said “to us and our posterity,” which does not include everyone in the world, and especially those whose ideology is antithetical to our own.
Look at what a mess they have made of England. How would you like to have acid tossed on your face on the way home from work? It’s happening in England now. My next entry is going to be about that. I invite you to read and learn. You have to understand what kind of people those people are.
@mikewb1971 - Yea Romney was also a piece of crap. He was not a true conservative. We haven’t seen a true conservative president since Reagan. I do think that Romney would have been better than Bush and Barack Osama, but certainly not great. I don’t know why the Republicans won’t put up a true conservative. Now those retards are talking about how Romney was too conservative and that’s why he lost, and they are thinking about putting up another guy who is more liberal. I think that Jindal wants to run, and there was some talk about Chris Christie although since that was mostly from left wing nutters it can easily be dismissed. If they put up Chris Christie then I would probably never again vote for Republicans on any level. But to vote Democrat I definitely believe that one has to either be stupid or evil. Or both.
On the other hand I did get pissed about the biased media coverage toward Romney. It was so clear that the media was CAMPAIGNING for Obama. It was absolutely disgusting. Of course, I have nothing but pure disdain for sycophants of any kind. I didn’t see anything wrong with Romney’s 47% comment, and I also didn’t see anything wrong with his gifts comment. Facts are not bigoted, racist, or mean, they are simply facts, and the fact of the matter is that there are way too many parasites in our country and their numbers are only growing.
Unfortunately, nuking Mecca won’t abolish religion. It’s a millenia strong delusion. You can’t kill an imaginary friend. Without Mecca, they’ll simply move on to the next location where some “miracle” occurred. Not mention then they’ll do their best to wipe Jerusalem off the map and hopefully the Vatican. Which, while it would be fair, would be a great way to start WWIII.
@Pure_Taint - No, Islam isn’t like other religions. They believe that Muhammad was their final prophet and that there can be no other revelations after him. There might be a few nutters that would hang onto their faith in spite of the thorough refutation of it, but for the most part their religion would die off.
Jerusalem would be more safe than ever. Most of those countries are low tech and do not have good delivery systems for their missiles, and Israel is protected by the iron dome. Also please don’t mistake me. I am not against “all religion,” I just oppose certain ideologies. I try to spell out all of my positions as concisely and clearly as possible, so there is no reason to read hidden meanings into anything I say.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I understand you’re not against all religions. I just think if we’re gonna try and rid one, might as well get rid of all of them.
Think of how the attack on 9/11 galvanized the United States. You don’t think a similar reaction would take place if we openly assaulted Islam’s major holy places? That a call wouldn’t go out to all muslims (across the globe) to revolt, to rise up.
Just like nuking Jerusalem wouldn’t stop Christians/Jews from believing in a higher power, nuking Mecca wouldn’t either.
@Pure_Taint - Believing in a higher power does not make one religious. You can believe in a supreme deity or be open to the idea of there being multiple deities without subscribing to any particular belief system.
If you were serious about nuking Jerusalem I would have to wonder what is the desired aim you are trying to achieve. If Jerusalem were nuked then I would cease to believe. Jerusalem is still present by the end of Revelation, so therefore it cannot be completely destroyed according to the Bible. That sort of thing would be a sound refutation of the Bible. Just like if we observed one kind of animal giving birth to another. I might still believe in a higher power, simply because I do not find the notion of a self existing universe to be logically viable, but I certainly would not view the Bible as authoratitive or continue to follow it’s principles. Nor would I continue to believe in YWHY, the God of the Bible. The same is true of the majority of Muslims and Allah. They wouldn’t even be able to practice the minimal requirments of their religion because the Haj would no longer be possible.
That being said, Islam is even more rigid, and does not lend itself to revision. You are talking about miracles, but you need to keep in mind that Islam was never predicated on Miracles other than the writing of the Koran itself, which they do consider to be a miracle. Islam was not spread by miracles, or by missionaries, or by logic or reason, it was spread by force. Force is the best way to deal with that.
The other alternative is to leave the Muslims alone, and let them have their countries while we have ours. But this halfway approach is entirely pointless and counterproductive.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - against them. i’m pro-choice, not pro-abortion. to me, that’s just as idiotic as being pro-life.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
“I just find it unfathomable how they can be more important than the country being turned into a goolag and people being herded into prison camps.”
because neither of those things have ever happened on our soil, we HAVE, however, experienced marriage inequality and the awfulness of women dying from unsafe and illegal abortions. i’m more interested in improving what we have, rather than worrying about what could go wrong.
i also disapprove of the rhetoric of conservatives. example: your anti-Islam rhetoric.
@flapper_femme_fatale - The way things were was fine, the way things are now is worse, and what is on the way is going to make Nazi Germany look like a walk in the park.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex – I find it endlessly amusing that Republicans let the same lamestream snoozemedia that falls all over itself to slobber Obama’s knob run their candidate selection process. Between that and the Priebus gang running the RNC on behalf of Romney, how else could Romney have won?
As for the UK, the rot started internally before the Muslims started moving there in droves, just as the Roman fall began before the Vandals, Visigoths and Huns showed up at the Empire’s borders.
What is the difference between being taken out by a law enforcement sniper or a drone?
Isn’t the drone just an automated sniper with super vision?
@mikewb1971 - You know, I really get the impression that the Republicans are NOT serious about winning. They keep thinking they need to bend towards the other side to get more votes, but the thing is, no one from the other side is ever going to vote for them no matter how much they bend, and the act of bending will only cost them more and more of their traditional voter base. Also, let’s not underestimate how well the Democrats have played this. They have been working for the last 40 or so years to permanently change the demographics of the US to favor themselves, whereas Republicans have to rely on the traditional American for votes. It’s a nasty crap stew, and I really think the best thing for the country is to break it up into smaller pieces.
True, but you know that once barbarians started coming in they also served to accelerate the decline of the Empire. The parallel between the US and the Roman Empire is strong, but with one key difference. The immigrants who flooded the Roman Empire were just opportunistic yet not overtly hostile Europeans. It was Europeans vs. Europeans, so even though they wrecked the Roman Empire, western civilization was still able to recover. After this crash there will be no more western civilization. Western civ will not get a second wind. Having Muslims is serious business. Persian and Egyptian civilization never recovered from Islam. The same will happen to western Europe. I think that our culture in the US has also become rotten, although not quite as rotten as England.
For the good news I do not have kids. The “genius’s” that do are ROYALLY FUCKED!
Keep watching you “reality” TV shows and your Hollywood video’s and voting for one of the two parties. You can always trust the Gov.
PS get your flue shot’s and drink your Florine water……..
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Both parties are the same anyway, hell-bent on destroying any resistance from us, the people. The results of both parties had been more draconian legislation, and encroaching on fascism faster than you can say “Adolf”.
I’m sick of the lies & games with human life. These bastards are inhuman.
@saturnnights - They are elitist scum.
@LadyboyRevolution - I’m thinking about leaving the country. Just don’t know where I could go for certain. MAYBE India. I wish I could leave the Earth entirely, and I don’t mean by a premature death.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I am thinking the same thing and have been for a long time now. Maybe Iceland. I am studying the politics of other countries as alternatives. If you figure anything out let me know.
@LadyboyRevolution - Will do
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - STOP bragging them UP!
@saturnnights - haha, yes, I suppose I was being overly generous to them