November 26, 2012
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Bin Laden Movie & Wallmart
First off, I want to say happy belated Thanksgiving to all my patriotic fellow Americans, and to all the liberals out there, happy turkey pardoning day. I forgive you guys.
That being said, I want to address two items I saw in the news:
Zero Dark Thirty
“Zero Dark Thirty” is a movie coming out about the hunt for Bin Laden, which will involve scenes showing interrogation and “torture.” Interesting how the liberals have been silent about “torture,” Guantanamo, and extending Constitutional protection to enemy POW’s since Obama took over, but I digress. The movie is supposed to be highly accurate and well researched, and under other circumstances I would go see it, but these are not normal circumstances.
I for one, do not believe the story the media has spun about the Bin Laden kill. Why? Because it’s too suspect. Where are the photos? Where is the video footage? Where is the body? Where is the hard evidence other than the word of a few people I don’t personally know, and a shady administration which I do not personally trust? The Bush administration got Saddam. We saw photos of him immediately after his capture, we saw footage of him in prison, and we saw footage of his execution. Why is it that we saw none of that for Bin Laden and why aren’t more people questining the alleged kill as a result? Did it ever cross anyone’s mind that a high profile kill like is a huge plot convenience for the Obama administration, especially during a time of wavering popularity?
So the body was allegedly dropped in the water and all visual evidence of the alleged kill was supposedly concealed so as not to upset the Islamic world. Another plot convenience if you ask me, to make up for a lack of evidence.
First of all, if he doesn’t want to upset the Islamic world with Bin Laden’s death then why announce it? Second, why is pandering to the Islamic world even on the priority list? Obama is SUPPOSED to be the US president not the Islamic Caliph or some kind of Grand Mufti. He doesn’t have any responsibility to them, but he has every responsibility to the US and the people here. We don’t care about the savage child molesting acid burning religion/cult of death. Those psychopaths are always angry and upset anyways. I say if they want to cry all the time we should give them some things to cry about. Let them be mad. They already offended us to begin with. What about us being mad? I guess you don’t need to worry about things like that when you can rig an election. Anyways we have the ability to bomb the entire Islamic world out of existence. We don’t even have to put men on the ground in order to deal with them.
The fact is, there is more evidence for the resurrection of Jesus than there is for the official story of the death of Bin Laden. I don’t buy it. I know that some people will take offense to my analogy there, but even if I were not a believer I would still maintain that position, because it is absolutely true. In both cases you have anecdotal evidence, but one has more anecdotal evidence than another. Maybe some people will be upset with me for saying that, but it’s only because Obama is the “Jesus” of the liberals. That is not just my opinion, it’s a hard empirical fact with documentary evidence to back it up.
I have a theory that there might be some human psychological need for a Jesus type figure. It’s a fairly recurring motiff in movies and literature, and for whatever reason many liberals have latched onto Obama.
Wallmart
So a man was busted by two Wallmart employees and a security guard as he tried to make off with two DVD players. The police arrived to find the man being held down by the employees, and when he cuffed him he discovered that the perpetraitor was dead. The suspect was bleeding from the nose and the mouth, which could indicate that he was punched there, or that he was punched (or otherwised received blunt force trauma) lower down and the blood is an artifact of internal bleeding.
I was wondering why a thing like that even made the news. I saw comments on the article about biased reporting and attempts to steer sympathy toward the thief, and apparently it has worked on some level because I also saw comments denigrating the employees for fighting this guy on Wallmart’s behalf, which is of course corrupt and does not deserve to be defended according to the left.
Let me put it this way. I have worked many retail jobs, and I did not enjoy ANY of them, but, if I caught some guy trying to rob the store I would do something. If I caught some guy trying to rob the registers I would do something, even if the guy were armed. Was it because I loved the job or the company? No. But it’s a matter of principle. Theft is wrong, and I don’t want anyone to get away with theft if I can help it. Justice is blind.
It’s not that I am particularly brave (although compared with the average person it might seem so), it’s just that some things absolutely burn me, and in spite of my level of bravery or lack thereof, I am going to do something if I get steamed up enough and not think about the potential personal cost.
Not all of the information is out yet, but as it stands my sympathies are with the employees rather than the theif. I doubt it was their intention to beat this man to death, but regardless of that, this man would still be alive if he had not chosen to be a thief. If this were a third world country and he were a starving peasant stealing food then that would be one thing, but DVD players are not an essential need. I’m sorry if that hurts anyone’s feelings but they’re not.
I really hope that this thing is handled better than the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman issue, which has made a complete joke out of the media, the justice system, and the state of race relations in the US. If the theif is black and the employees are non-black you can bet this will become the next race issue, because black people kill each other all the time but when a non-black guy kills a black guy then it is all of a sudden time for national outrage and race wars, and the non-black guy suddenly becomes white, and white people suddenly become involved, and the non-black guy is guilty regardless of the evidence because the guy he killed was black.
Anyways, let’s see what happens.
Comments (22)
Obama ordered guantanamo shut down after he was elected (the first time) and congress passed a bill making it illegal to spend any money to complete the order effectively making it impossible to do – blame congress not obama. As for bin laden’s death no amount of evidence will prove birther conspiracy theory nuts like yourself who will accept a half-assed forgery over authenticated real documents. If he’d published the photos you’d just say “look at this speck, why isn’t it on this photo of bin laden too?!” and call them fakes.
You don’t accept what you don’t want to accept, period.
As for the walmart thing, taking a human life is only justified if you are in mortal danger. Protecting your employers’ stuff is not a justification for homicide nor is beating someone to death or compressing their lungs until they suffocate once they’re no longer a threat.
A security guard, as I understand, had the scumbag thief in a choke hold. The blood is a (ahum) red herring.
Is deadly force a proportional retaliatory act? If the scumbag thief was flailing, punching, kicking, or whatever and the security guard was defending himself, deadly force is called for. If the scumbag thief was passive or compliant after he was busted, the choke hold was not proportional and the guy should be tried in court manslaughter.
It wouldn’t bother me in the least bit if the employees took the scumbag thief in some private room out of the view of cameras or clients and beat ten shades of a brownish substance out of him though.
@agnophilo - Well I personally don’t care that Guantanamo is still open, but for the record, Obama started his reign with a Democrat majority in Congress.
Regarding the Obama “birth certificate”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikaajbOEWpk&list=PLhfSjKfR4dZErwCWodOgMnORmUFg0ReLH&index=73&feature=plpp_video
But he didnt publish photos or video footage, or provide any kind of documentary evidence, which means that the story is suspect at best. Obama is shady. If he had a birth ceritificate right away he would have published it to quell suspicion, but he took his time because he had to construct one (see video). If they actually killed Bin Laden in the way that the story said they should have had photos and camera footage, which would have been a great PR boost for Obama to release.
As I said in the entry, I don’t believe it was their intention to beat him to death, only to stop and restrain him. If you read the article you will see that they were still holding him down when the cops came, which indicates that they did not know he was dead. I don’t have a problem with using force to stop a thief, but it should be the minimal amount of force necessary. Now when it comes to someone breaking into my house, that’s a different story.
@virtus1 - I agree completely.
” Justice is blind. “
Amen.
Also, you are spot-on about race-relations issues. Why was Trayvon Martin on the cover of every news source for weeks, yet nobody gives a shit about the record daily numbers of murdered blacks in Chicago?
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - So you’re simply disingenously feigning outrage, lovely. And I said blame congress not blame the republicans.
As for the birth certificate crap that has been debunked many times (the .pdf version has layers in it that are consistent with automatically generated layers produced by scanners and photo optimization software and completely inconsistent with the types of layers anyone would generate with a program like photoshop). I’m not going to bother going into further evidence because I know you will disregard it. And obama did immediately produce his birth certificate when it was requested.
But whatever, there’s no point arguing with someone who is as biased as you are.
@agnophilo - Where did I feign or express outrage? Do quote me. All I said was that it’s interesting how liberals are silent about their old crying points (Guantanamo, “torture,” and applying the Constitution to prisoners of war) now that Obama is in charge. You chose to read outrage into it where there was none. All I was doing there was mocking liberals for hypocrisy. You agree with the Bush policies all of a sudden because one of your guys is in charge, which indicates to me that most of you more of a problem with the individuals involved than the policies themselves.
Not really. He showed part of a document, and you didn’t at all find that suspicious. Why do people in Kenya think he was born in Kenya?
If you don’t want to argue with me you don’t have to.
@DrummingMediocrity - The only thing I can conclude is that they were trying to provoke both a race war and another war on gun ownership. They had partial success in regards to the race war, as there were incidents of assault on white people and semi-white people all around the country as a result.
The Trayvon-Zimmerman event should not even have made the news, and it’s laughable how they tried to portray this man as white and redneck when he was in fact neither. So much crap which should never have been allowed to happen has happened because of that. The way the media handled that situation was absolutely criminal.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
“Where did I feign or express outrage? Do
quote me. All I said was that it’s interesting how liberals are silent
about their old crying points (Guantanamo, “torture,” and applying the
Constitution to prisoners of war) now that Obama is in charge. You
chose to read outrage into it where there was none. All I was doing
there was mocking liberals for hypocrisy.”
It isn’t hypocritical to not denounce a man for not exceeding the constitutional authority of his office.
“You agree with the Bush
policies all of a sudden because one of your guys is in charge, which
indicates to me that most of you more of a problem with the individuals
involved than the policies themselves.”
That makes no sense, and the only way you could believe that given the facts I laid out for you is if you’re being willfully dishonest… again.
“Not really. He showed
part of a document, and you didn’t at all find that suspicious.”
What the hell are you talking about?
“Why do
people in Kenya think he was born in Kenya?”
Because kenya has ignorant and misinformed people too, just like every other country. Does the vast majority of americans believing he was born in america prove he was? Then why would some people in kenya believing the reverse prove a thing? As I pointed out to you before the claim that his grandmother said he was born in kenya is a lie. A lie you don’t seem to have the slightest problem with. And you think you can lecture anyone about bias and hypocrisy? Give me a break.
“If you don’t want to argue with me you don’t have to.”
Good point.
@agnophilo - Stick to the topic. You guys were bitching about Guantanamo, “torture”, and trying to extend constitutional protection to enemy POW’s when Bush was there. Obama has continued all those things and I no longer here an ounce of outrage from you guys, or from the liberal media. I want to know why.
Again, you know full well that he only released part of the alleged birth certificate originally, it took a good deal more prodding for him to “release” the rest. I don’t trust that man, and I don’t understand why you do.
One way yes, but at the same time you cannot completely dismiss them either. His Kenyan (Paternal) grandmother says he was born in Kenya, the ambassador of Kenya says he was born in Kenya, and Obama’s publicist also said he was born in Kenya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRR1nrynuzY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M0UhjB8628
All the evidence is against him.
Let me ask you this, should you ever come to believe that Obama was born in Kenya would you still support him?
Wow. You literally just delete conversations you don’t like from your mind and pretend they never happened.
You don’t have an argument, you have a delusion. And it’s impossible to argue with a delusion. I do not have the time or the ability to fix whatever is really wrong with you, so bye.
@agnophilo - No, I simply don’t allow other people to put words in my mouth or get over on me with bait and switch. Perhaps if you used more honest methodology in your debates you would find they would go further.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I gave you proof that the question “were you there when he was born in kenya” was relayed to the grandmother as “were you there when he was born?” and that is what she answered “yes” to, that she never said that he was born in kenya and birther assholes are deliberately and transparently lying and you turn around and keep repeating the lie.
You are not interested in reality, you for whatever reason have a pathological need to believe what you believe. Either way I’m done with you.
@agnophilo - Even if that were the case then that still does not absolve him, but OK, forget about his grandmother. What do you have to say about the ambassador and the publicist?
Absolve who? The liar you are promoting? And how would an ambassador or a publicist know where he was born exactly? Your logic is “someone said it therefore it must be true”. By that logic a lot of people say he was born in hawaii (including the authorities, the newspapers that announced his birth and every member of his family) so doesn’t that therefore make it true? Again you have two different standards of evidence. A mountain of evidence in favor of obama is, in your mind, outweighed by a thimble of evidence against, even if it is the same exact type of evidence. Same with expert opinion, if 99% of building engineers said 9/11 was not a controlled demolition and 1% said it is, the 1% to you outweighs the 99%.
You believe what you believe despite the facts, not because of the facts. And this is why you cannot be reasoned with.
@agnophilo - I’m talking about absolving Barack Osama, your Kenyan Muslim Jesus. I’m not promoting anyone here, I’m simply attacking Obama. I didn’t say that the proof Obama was born in Kenya rests specifically on the fact that most Kenyans are convinced he is, but similarly you cannot just dismiss that. Watch the videos I sent you. The ambassador of Kenya thinks he was born in Kenya, you can say that the ambassador is an ignoramus and corrupt, and maybe that could be, but he still knows enough to be placed in the position to speak for Kenya. I don’t see how you can just ignore these things. Also there is the fact that Obama’s profile in his book listed him as being from Kenya, and that was all the way up until 2007. Copies of that book still exist. The man was born in Kenya. The Democrat party is corrupt, and they are using this man to work destructive socio-economic changes in the US.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - “I’m talking about absolving Barack Osama,
your Kenyan Muslim Jesus.”
I’m an atheist dumbass.
“I’m not promoting anyone here, I’m simply
attacking Obama.”
You’re promoting alex jones by posting his videos even though he’s the one who lied about obama’s grandmother.
“I didn’t say that the proof Obama was born in Kenya
rests specifically on the fact that most Kenyans are convinced he is,
but similarly you cannot just dismiss that.”
Why not? Were most kenyans in the hospital room when he was born? Then what does their opinion matter? And as I said that he was born in kenya is, in most of the world, a minority opinion. You are “just dismissing” the majority and then saying I cannot do the same with the minority.
“Watch the videos I sent
you. The ambassador of Kenya thinks he was born in Kenya, you can say
that the ambassador is an ignoramus and corrupt, and maybe that could
be, but he still knows enough to be placed in the position to speak for
Kenya.”
Being in a position of authority does not grant one the right to dictate reality. Again you are not being honest – I could quote a thousand officials in any office saying obama was born in hawaii and it would mean nothing to you, but one official saying the reverse is all the proof you need.
You don’t care about who is in what office and says what except when it seems to support your preferred conclusion.
“I don’t see how you can just ignore these things.”
I’ve explained it a number of times.
“Also there is
the fact that Obama’s profile in his book listed him as being from
Kenya, and that was all the way up until 2007. Copies of that book
still exist.”
Okay so is his name not barry soetero or whatever by the authority of that bio? And it’s not even from his book, it’s from a promotional pamphlet made by the publishing company.
“The man was born in Kenya. The Democrat party is corrupt,
and they are using this man to work destructive socio-economic changes
in the US.”
Yeah, no ideological bias there.
@agnophilo - Just because you call yourself an atheist does not mean you don’t elevate some people to higher than human levels of esteem. You clearly hold Obama in ridiculously high regard, and it seems logical that since you do not believe in the real Jesus you have latched on to another figure who can fulfill the same psychological purpose.
OK, I was not trying specifically to promote anyone. Typically when I post videos it is either to illustrate a point or compliment my entry. But now that you mention it I do believe you should watch Alex Jones. You can learn a lot from him about what the government, and governments in general, are really up to.
Being an official representative of Kenya makes him an authority on that issue, and yes it is telling if people in Kenya believe he is born there. He was raised in Indonesia, and Indonesia is another backward 3rd world country but you don’t see them taking credit for his birth. As for your comment about US officials vouching for him, you said it best yourself: “Being in a position of authority does not grant one the right to dictate reality.”
I make no secret of my hatred for the Democrat party and everything it stands for, nor have I ever.
@agnophilo - Also the fact that Obama has changed his name should be telling.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
“Just because you call yourself an atheist
does not mean you don’t elevate some people to higher than human levels
of esteem. You clearly hold Obama in ridiculously high regard, and it
seems logical that since you do not believe in the real Jesus you have
latched on to another figure who can fulfill the same psychological
purpose.”
This is psychological projection, you are trying to rationalize your bias by imagining (with no basis) that I am biased in the opposite direction. Not only am I not (I just don’t think the man is a batman villain), but even if I were it would not make your position any more intellectually honest or objective.
“OK, I was not trying specifically to promote anyone.
Typically when I post videos it is either to illustrate a point or
compliment my entry. But now that you mention it I do believe you
should watch Alex Jones. You can learn a lot from him about what the
government, and governments in general, are really up to.”
The fact that he promotes outright lies doesn’t change your opinion of him at all? You’re literally telling me a good source of information is the man I just pointed out was deliberately deceiving his audience.
“Being
an official representative of Kenya makes him an authority on that
issue,”
Again he does not have the “authority” to dictate reality. Nor is he an authority on the life of barrack obama.
Politicians say ignorant and incorrect things on a daily basis, that makes them idiots it doesn’t make their statements true. Michelle bachmann said that no study has ever shown that carbon dioxide is harmful. I guess that makes it true.
“and yes it is telling if people in Kenya believe he is born
there.”
Why?
“He was raised in Indonesia, and Indonesia is another backward
3rd world country but you don’t see them taking credit for his birth.”
The conspiracy theory is that he was born in kenya, if there were a birther indonesia conspiracy theory some people in indonesia would probably buy into it too. Are you honestly saying that he must have been born in kenya because people in indonesia don’t widely believe he was born there when he wasn’t? Where is the logic in that?
“As for your comment about US officials vouching for him, you said it
best yourself: “Being in a position of authority does not grant one the
right to dictate reality.”
THAT WAS MY POINT. I was turning YOUR logic in on itself. You don’t listen to a damn thing you don’t want to hear. You just rejected your own logic in favor of the opposite conclusion while defending the exact same logic in favor of your conclusion.
“I make no secret of my hatred for the Democrat party and everything it stands for, nor have I ever.”
And it’s not possible that is the real basis for your opinion of the president?
“Also the fact that Obama has changed his name should be telling.”
He has never legally changed his name, he went by an americanized nickname in highschool. This is not uncommon, nor is it sinister.
@agnophilo -You have written entries where you fawned over Obama so much that it almost caused me literal physical pain. Maybe you aren’t openly calling him “messiah” or singing worship songs to him, like so many other Obamanites, but you do fawn over this man and you elevate him a good deal more than I have ever elevated anyone other than God.
I’m just sticking with the facts. Regarding your comment about most people in the world, consensus does not make correctness, unless perhaps it is among those who are in a position to know. The fact is most people in Kenya insist he is from there, and the ambassador also says so, and he is an official spokesperson who is in the position to make that claim. My point is that people who are in a position to know where Obama was born know it.
I don’t necessarily agree with everything Alex Jones says but he is a good deal more honest than Obama or anyone else in the DNC. If you watch him you can learn a good deal.
My point about Indonesia was that being a backward 3rd world nation is not the reason why people in Kenya are claiming that Obama was born there. If the basis for their claim was purely ignorance and backwardness + the fact that he has family there then Indonesia should have made the same claim. The people who are in a position to know about Obama do know about him. Up until 2007 it was in the open that he was from Kenya.
You cannot seriously think that people in the US inspired the Kenyans to claim that Obama was born there.
Of course I hate everything that Obama stands for, I have been very clear about that all along, and not just him but the entire Democrat party and any of the sell out Republicans as well. I don’t see the pertinence of mentioning the obvious here, unless you are implying that I am going out of my way to make him look bad. I’m not really, and all I have to do to make him look bad is focus on what he’s doing (but I’m still going to call him what he is, just like I call anyone who voted for him an ignoramus or a traitor). In fact I didn’t mention anything about that bastards questionable birth in this entry, you brought it up on your own without any prodding from me. If you find it so stressful to discuss with me then don’t bring it up. That’s called masochism when you like to hurt yourself.
@agnophilo - BTW, I don’t see him as a Batman type villain, I see him more as a Biblical type villain, like King Manasseh and Queen Jezebel, and I see him as being in the same vein as the anti-Christ. I don’t think he is the anti-Christ, but perhaps a prototype sent to both test the waters and prepare the way. It’s interesting that Obamacare has called for chipping people. Sometime in march 2013 is when it’s supposed to start. Maybe they will scratch that provision. We’ll see what happens. But no matter what, no one is putting a chip in my body. I will die first.