October 28, 2012

  • Welfare

    Are Conservatives mean?

    When it comes to the issue of welfare, and many other socio-economic issues we are often accused of being mean, bigoted, racist, etc., for standing in opposition to left wing programs.  Welfare is one of the more sensitive issues, and it is an issue where conservatives get accused of being greedy and/or mean spirited for opposing it.  Anyone with an average level IQ or higher should be able to logically discern that the issue is more complex than mean-spiritedness vs. benevolence, but for the sake of enlightenment I will clearly explain what exactly the issue is.

    Most of us have been to middle school and graduated from it.  Most of us can agree that the issues which are considered important in Middle School are in fact irrelevant, but much of what happens in Middle School is a microcosm for the conflicts one faces in the adult world.  Suppose Studant A is flicking Studant B in the ear from behind.  Student B tells Student A to stop multiple times, but Student A just keeps it up.  Flick, flick, flick, flick…  After a while Student B turns around and slaps Student A so hard that everyone in class hears it.  Student A is no longer flicking Student B but now Student B is in trouble, and the next thing he knows Student B is the one who is being portrayed as the bad guy.  Regardless of what anyone thinks transpired, does Student B’s reaction to Student A make Student B a hateful or spiteful person?  For the rational person the answer is no, obviously what Student B did was a reaction to the incessant prodding of Student A, and the failure of Student A to stop when told. 

    The same is true of conservatives.  Conservatives are people who wish to either maintain the current socio-economic system, or return to a time in the past when conditions were better.  When we are continually prodded by people who wish to take things in a direction which is detrimental to our way of life then of course we are going to react.  That being said, any hostility that comes from our side is a defensive reaction rather than an act of pointless hate.

    Opposition to Welfare

    Our opposition to welfare is not based on greed or spite, but based on the obvious fact that welfare is not voluntary giving, and that such artificial manipulation of the economy has adverse side affects. 

    Conservatives engage in more voluntary giving than anyone else in the country, especially the religious right, which receives more hate and scorn than any other group, both nationally and internationally.  It is a serious and grievous error to equate government redistribution of wealth with voluntary giving, or opposition of such redistribution with greed.  One cannot be benevolent with another person’s belongings.  If I go out and rob a bank, and then give all that money to random people on the streets does that make me benevolent?  What if I rob one person who is walking down the streets and give the contents of their wallet to a homeless man?  Am I benevolent yet?  A rational person would say no.  There is no voluntary giving in welfare, the government demands a certain amount of money each year, and if it is not paid then they come in force to take it.  I cannot be benevolent with my money if it is being lifted out of my pocket by someone else, because once it is taken out of my pocket it is out of my control what happens to it. 

    “Oh but we have to help all the poor people!” they say.  So help them then, but do it with your own resources.  A thief with a cause is still a thief.  If you want to give then give, but don’t concern yourself with what your neighbor is doing.  What he does or does not do is between him and God, not between him and you, and if your neighbor is a successful conservative he is probably giving more than you are anyways.

    The accusation that conservatives do not want to “do their part” is as subjective judgment.  There is no law of God or nature that states that anyone who does not work is entitled to earnings.  In fact, it boggles my mind how on one hand liberals are constantly ridiculing conservatives for not believing in evolution (even though not all conservatives are Christians or believers in ID), while at the same time refusing apply the principles of evolution to real life situations, or to society.  If evolution is true, then the absolute worst thing you can do is try to interfere with the process of natural selection, which is the driving engine behind it.  At this point I am certain some liberal is tempted to say, “that’s mean!” but if you will read my statement closely, I did not advocate anything, I merely pointed out an obvious contradiction.  If you refuse to stand by the principles of your own particular belief system then you should not criticize others for not sharing your beliefs. 

    But I digress, the fact is there is no scientifically proven natural law, or divine law stating that people are entitled to earnings without working. When I refer to natural law I mean actual natural laws, not theories or widely accepted beliefs among “experts.” For example, entropy is a natural law.

    When it comes to man’s laws, they are only as authoritative as there is force to back them, but no law of man can affect the laws of nature, or the laws of God.  Therefore, the existence of any given human law does not automatically make that law morally or pragmatically sound.  Institutionalized theft is still theft, and it is still immoral.

    The impetus behind welfare is not charity or moral outrage, it is a two pronged attack on economic freedom by those who wish to have something without having earned it, and by government elites who are trying to push a socio-economic agenda.

    The Purpose of Welfare:

    Welfare is nothing more than a state sponsored dysgenics program.  There is not one iota of evidence that welfare is something the Founding Fathers intended, or that it is necessary, or that it is having a positive impact on poverty. 

    If the Founding Fathers intended for such an institution as welfare to exist then they would have established it immediately.  The fact that they did not is quite telling.  In fact, no one believed that such a thing as welfare was Constitutional or American until the 20th century after it was already established.  People were hoodwinked into accepting a socialist program.

    Since welfare was established the amount of people on welfare and the sheer numbers of poor people in the country has skyrocketed:

    welfare spending 

    welfare-chart 

    CDA-2012-index-dependence-govt-chart-12_1515 

    For a program which was ostensibly established to get people back on their feet it has failed miserably, in fact, it has done the opposite of the ostensibly intended affect.  This is why I believe that the purpose of welfare is something other than helping people get out of poverty.  To the rational person with an average or above average level IQ it should be obvious that when a behavior is incentivised the end result will be a net increase in that behavior.  To put it simply, if you pay people to not work then they will continue to not work, if you increase their not-working pay when they have additional children then they will have more children.  The result is that there are ever increasing numbers of non-working people who exist off of the state.

    The issue is further compounded by immigration, specifically unskilled third world immigration.

    Thirteen years after Congress overhauled the American welfare system, 57 percent of immigrants with children &#151 those in the country legally or not &#151 use at least one government, welfare program according to a report released Tuesday by the Center for Immigration Studies.

    In comparison, 39 percent of native-born Americans with children are signed up for welfare, the report found.

    In Texas, 54 percent of legal immigrants and 70 percent of illegal immigrants receive welfare assistance, with illegal immigrants generally receiving benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children, according to the study, written by a think tank that favors reducing immigration into the U.S.

    Source: Houston Chronicle  http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/04/study-70-of-texas-illegal-immigrant-families-receive-welfare/

    Why are we allowing the country to be flooded with so many unskilled immigrants when there is already a good portion of citizens who are perpetually out of work?  When it comes to illegal aliens, and arguments about whether or not they have a right to be here, one often hears the argument, “we need them because they work all the jobs that white people don’t want to.”  The fact that we have so many citizens, white, black, whatever, who are not working is a testament to the fact that we do not need hordes of unskilled immigrants each year, and whether or not they want to do the work is immaterial.  If their welfare is cut off and they begin to starve then working on a farm or construction site all of a sudden begins to look good.  Immigration should be cut absolutely, except in cases of high need, and welfare should be cut at the same time.  Those welfare people can then work on the farms and constructions sites, or they can become janitors, fast food workers, warehouse workers, dock workers, etc.  With the government no longer incentivising their lifestyle they will have less children, because they will not want to bring more beings into the world than they can support on their own, and our socio-economic system will gradually return to a more balanced state.

    But of course this is not what the government wishes to do, especially not left wing politicians.  On the one hand they want to continue welfare, and on the other they want to flood the country with unskilled immigrants and allow them to drain from the system as well.  The effect is that we have growing numbers of people with low-IQ.  The left is notorious for it’s preference for cultivating masses of people with low-IQ’s.  They want to have masses of low IQ individuals who will accept whatever they say or do without questioning.  What they want is to be able to tell people a dog is a duck, and have the masses repeat “it’s a duck…” like a droning crowd of mindless zombies. 

    For the time being the left wing leadership insists that these people are entitled to earnings which they did not work for, and that they have a right to be in the US, but as their numbers grow then the system must eventually break.  The expenditures necessary to support these people will greatly exceed tax revenues, and the GDP.  The end result will be a collapse, which will probably take the form of a communist style revolution, with the left wing leadership carefully inserting themselves as benefactors and leaders of the revolution.  At that point the welfare will stop, but the government will have fully established a command economy where private production and ownership of property no longer exist.  The amount of low-IQ people will greatly surpass that of intelligent people, so the intelligent people who are not party members will become increasingly irrelevant, and if they complain they will be silenced one way or another.

    The man of low IQ is less likely to question the authority structure, and less likely to recognize when depredations are being worked on him or on those around him.  If the authorities tell the low-IQ masses that they are better off under the new conditions then the masses will believe them.  The intelligent man is more capable of independent thought, and is less likely to view those in the authority structure as inherently superior.  As a result he is more likely to question both the actions of the authority structure and the legitimacy of the authority structure, which is why in the long run intelligent people will not be allowed to exist outside of the authority structure. 

    Nothing I have said here so far should be a shocking revelation, neither is it anything new.  These ideas, and concepts have been around since at least the 4th century BC, where ideas which sound as though they were taken directly from George Orwell’s “1984″ or the “Communist Manifesto” were penned by the Chinese statesman Shang Yang:

    Sophistry and cleverness are an aid to lawlessness; rites and music are symptoms of dissipations and licence; kindness and benevolence are the foster-mother of transgressions; employment and promotion of opportunities for the rapacity of the wicked.

    (Shang p. 167)

    A weak people means a strong state and a strong state means a weak people.

    (Shang p. 222)

    The motives of the left wing leadership are inherently tyrannical, and geared entirely towards establishing permanent rule.  That is how it has always been throughout history, and that is why the execution of intelligent people is a common theme throughout every single communist regime.  The only people a tyrannical regime has to be nice to are it’s military.  If the country is populated by low-IQ persons then they will accept as good whatever the regime tells them is good. 

    The agenda of the left wing leadership and the type of society it will culminate in is best lined out in George Orwell’s book “1984.”

    The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake.  We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested only in power.  Not wealth or luxary or long life or happiness: only power, pure power.  What pure power means you will understand presently.  We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing.  All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites.  The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives.  They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal.  We are not like that.  We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it.  Power is not a means, it is an end.  One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish a dictatorship.

    (Orwell, p. 302)

    Although 1984 is fiction, we can see that it is based in historical fact. If one steps back and objectively examines the effects of left wing policies, not the stated purposes and goals, but the actual effects, then it becomes obvious what sort of socio-economic structure is on the horizon.  All of this madness that is going on now has to be stopped. 

    I have had liberals tell me that if we cut off the welfare these people will riot and come after us.  I do not believe that they will.  People of low IQ do not originate revolutions, and if they get stirred up over something then it is their own neighborhoods which bear the brunt of their wrath.  Without direction they are only dangerous in the places where they live.  But, for the sake of argument, suppose they do decide to spread out from their areas to loot and kill?  That’s why we have police with guns, and we as citizens are also allowed to have guns.  If you are worried, get some guns, stockpile some bullets, and shoot at them from the windows of your house when they come.  But again, I do not believe it will come to that.  Worst case scenario they will wreck their own neighborhoods, and after the initial spasm we can work on returning to the age of private charities, and we can establish better trade schools for these people. 

Comments (13)

  • Excellent.  I  like especially how you so clearly linked the problem of illegal immigration with welfare. I believe minimum wage law is tied into that as well.  If minimum wage didn’t exist, there would be even less of a bargaining chip for illegal immigrants to take jobs over Americans/legal immigrants (assuming welfare is out of the picture).

    I remember being shocked at all the immigrant children who attend Head Start programs.  I didn’t even know they could do that until I worked at one.  There was an adorable Muslim/Arabic boy in my client’s class … His parents were financially well-off, too.   Go figure.

  • Good luck with this, brother.  The more obvious these things are, the less the supporters of such programs will “understand” them.  They do not see because they do not wish to see.

  • @DrummingMediocrity - Yea minimum wage is another factor.  The left is always talking about raising minimum wage so that people can have what they need, which is understandable, but the thing is that it also causes inflation.  What we need to do is kill welfare, export the illegals and their anchor babies, cut off all immigration of unskilled and uneducated people, and take the troops from Iraq and put them along the border with Mexico.  I don’t care if Mexico whines about having the anchor babies dumped on them.  If I go to China or Korea with my wife and have a baby there, the baby is still a US citizen because the parents are.  China will never accept my kids as citizens.  The US needs to think the same way.  Also, any large trucks which come in from Mexico need to be regularly searched as a matter of course. 

    You know, when the left wing leadership gets everything they want and sets up their dismal hellish society you can count on people like us being killed.  They always do it.  Emperor Chin had hundreds of scholars buried alive, and Pol Pot habitually killed people who had what he took for intelligent behavior patterns.  The smarter liberals who recognize what is going on and who brag about it loudly might also find themselves dead, just like that one guy in 1984 who was talking about how the destruction of words is a beautiful thing. 

    I can’t wait to see how the liberals respond to this one.  I’m sure the big three have something to say: Agnophilo, Commander Keen, Flapper…

  • @blonde_apocalypse - I wonder how it is that people are able to so thoroughly insulate themselves from reality?  I wonder what it’s like to live in the happy liberal world of gumdrops and rainbows where up is down and down is up, and you can take politicians at face value even when they contradict themselves.

  • @Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - it requires that you believe two things: that consequences don’t occur so long as you have good intentions and that politicians’ motives are as stated.

  • @blonde_apocalypse - When you walk into a post office you honestly see an orwellian dystopia?

    The lengths people will go to to rationalize greed and selfishness.

  • @blonde_apocalypse - I think you’re probably right, but I still could never make my mind think that way.

  • First section – externalizing blame for your own faults.

    Second section –

    “Conservatives engage in more voluntary giving than anyone else in the
    country, especially the religious right, which receives more hate and
    scorn than any other group, both nationally and internationally.”

    These are bullshit studies on charitable giving which are based on polling people and asking them to guesstimate how much they give to charity, not actual data (when asked if people have attended church this sunday 50% of the people who say yes consistently lie, these polls are not reliable) and if these polls were accurate they would conflict with actual hard data since all the money conservatives and liberals say they give to charity is much more than is actually given to all charities and churches combined.  And if liberals are so greedy and conservatives are so selfless why is virtually every blue state a “giver” state and virtually every red state a “taker” state?  And if taxes are theft as you argue, why is almost all of the legislation that’s added to the deficit over the last decade and a half republican policies?  If taxes are stealing conservatives are the far worse thieves, they’re just stealing your credit card, running up a huge bill and giving you a little cash from the ATM so you won’t mind.  At least democrats have the decency to pass a law democratically and try to fund their “theft”.

    “There is no law of God or nature that states that anyone who does not work is entitled to earnings.”

    There’s this guy named jesus, I’m wondering if you’ve ever heard of him. 

    “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Mark 10:21)

    He taught from the bible, maybe you’ve heard of it.

    “When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.” (Leviticus 23:22)

    “If anyone is poor among your fellow Israelites in any of the towns of the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward them. 8 Rather, be openhanded and freely lend them whatever they need. 9 Be careful not to harbor this wicked thought: “The seventh year, the year for canceling debts, is near,” so that you do not show ill will toward the needy among your fellow Israelites and give them nothing. They may then appeal to the Lord against you, and you will be found guilty of sin. 10 Give generously to them and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to. 11 There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land.” (Deuteronomy 15:7-11)

    “At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns,

    so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.” (Deuteronomy 14:28-29)

    Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc…

    “In fact, it boggles my mind how on one hand liberals are constantly
    ridiculing conservatives for not believing in evolution (even though not
    all conservatives are Christians or believers in ID), while at the same
    time refusing apply the principles of evolution to real life
    situations, or to society.”

    Accepting that a mechanism or phenomenon exists in nature and believing society should be modeled after it are two different things, what you’re saying is like arguing that you’re hypocritical for acknowledging that some species eat their young while still being opposed to people eating their babies.  It’s called the naturalistic fallacy, the ignorant assumption that natural = universally good.  Ironically atheists are probably the least likely to reach that conclusion.  It’s sad that conservatives like you are willing to endorse unnecessary death and misery on a massive scale before accepting basic facts about biology.

    “Welfare is nothing more than a state sponsored dysgenics program.”

    Who do you think are the inferior people in society?  Lets round them up and kill them for the good of the master race – heil hitler!

    “There is not one iota of evidence that welfare is something the Founding
    Fathers intended,”

    Not one iota of evidence that the founding fathers intended us to have welfare programs?

    The preamble to the constitution:

    “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

    “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

    The term “welfare” comes from the constitution dumbass.

    “or that it is necessary,”

    Necessary?  To whom?  If you’re going to die unless you get a surgery you can’t afford medicaid/medicare is by definition a necessity.

    “or that it is having a
    positive impact on poverty.”

    Other than keeping people from dying you mean?  Closing all the homeless shelters would cut down the number of homeless in a hurry but that’s because you might as well be putting them into trains and sending them to death camps.

    “Since welfare was established the amount of people on welfare and the
    sheer numbers of poor people in the country has skyrocketed”

    I don’t care even a little.  Unlike you I don’t see fixing some problems collectively as a problem, nor do I equate all “weflare” with a rise in poverty.  Social security pensions and medicare etc make up the bulk of the new spending and are not driving anybody into poverty.

    “For a program which was ostensibly established to get people back on
    their feet it has failed miserably, in fact, it has done the opposite of
    the ostensibly intended affect.” 

    No evidence to support this.

    “This is why I believe that the purpose
    of welfare is something other than helping people get out of poverty.” 

    Another conspiracy theory, yay.

    “To the rational person with an average or above average level IQ it
    should be obvious that when a behavior is incentivised the end result
    will be a net increase in that behavior.  To put it simply, if you pay
    people to not work then they will continue to not work,”

    Food stamps is not “pay”, nor is medicare, medicaid etc.  90% of welfare spending is not “pay” and what little is usually goes to single moms to buy diapers and nobody is getting rich off of it, unless they’re forging paperwork for 50 kids.

    “if you increase
    their not-working pay when they have additional children then they will
    have more children.  The result is that there are ever increasing
    numbers of non-working people who exist off of the state.”

    Go look up how much cash benefits you get per child and how much it costs per year to raise a child and then give me your cost-benefit analysis.

    I’m not bothering with the rest of this, I’ve wasted enough time on a response you will likely just dismiss anyway.

  • @agnophilo - Hey man, how’s it going?  Actually I owe you quite a few responses, but I haven’t had the chance to get to everything yet.  Will do so soon.

    That being said, I get the distinct impression that you either did not thoroughly read my entry or did not understand, because most of what you said was already anticipated in the entry.  So in response:

    No, you can’t blame us for reacting to being poked.  If you bring up something ludicrous like signing an arms treaty with the UN or some made up concept such as “gay marriage” which you wish to force us to cooperate with then there is going to be a reaction.  If you’re poking a dog don’t blame the dog when you get bit.

    Well one way you have the polls, the other way you can actually ask the people themselves.  Conservatives give more than liberals because we have religious reasons for giving, whereas liberals do not.  I never said that liberals were greedy, and I don’t really care whether they are or not.  To me, if someone is greedy it’s between them and God, not them and me, or them and you, or them and the law.  I’m not personally bothered by greedy people so long as they are net producers rather than net drains.  My whole comment about giving was to rebut the liberal accusation of greed on our part.  What I do not like is the welfare crowd which thinks they are entitled to something they didn’t work for or earn just because they exist.  What do you mean by “giver” and “taker”?  You’re talking about welfare and Federal money again aren’t you?  Again, that has jack all to do with giving.  Sometimes the government takes money from high revenue areas and puts it into low revenue areas because of the socialism you liberals have campaigned for.  IF you don’t like it then switch sides.  But anyways, if you look at a chart you will find it’s not as simple as that:

    http://aeconomics.blogspot.com/2009_02_01_archive.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/01/25/us/20090126-welfare-table.html

    Biggest Welfare States: http://www.cnbc.com/id/31910310/The_Biggest_US_Welfare_States?slide=1

    Again, I anticipated what you would say here which was why I worded that statement the way I did.  I challenge you to find any law of God which states that people are entitled to earnings without having worked for them.  I was already aware of everything you were going to put here.  The first law in the Bible is: “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”–Genesis 3:19.

    The passage from Mark was an instruction to one man, and in it Jesus never stated that the would be recipients of his wealth were entitled or had a right to any of his belongings.

    See, this is what you guys don’t get.  In some places of the Bible believers are called to give, but it never states that the recipients are entitled to the gifts.  The Bible teaches charity on one hand, but also hard work.

    Everything you listed here is a call to give, not a right to receive or documentary evidence of entitlement.  And, BTW, we do give.  Even though I’m a poor guy I regularly give 10% of my income.  If I had more I would give more. 

    First of all, I disagree that evolution is a fact.  Second, I disagree with your accusation that we are endorsing mass suffering and death.  As I stated in my entry, and backed up with data, the amount of poor has only grown as a result of welfare programs.  I don’t understand why you can’t understand that.  Just look at the data.  As for your comments about evolution, if you find the implications of your belief system repellant then you probably are not a true believer in evolution, or maybe you are a fence sitter.  See if evolution is true, then in order for a species to reach the next stage of evolution the superior specimens must be able to speciate or move beyond the less developed specimens, whether that is mental or physical development.  As for killing your young, you liberals do that all the time with abortions.  The only reason you don’t eat them is because of the heavy social taboos against cannibalism, but in other parts of the world those taboos do not exist, and you can find people eating people.  But again, I am not advocating killing or abortion, just pointing out what is already there.

    Yes the term welfare was ripped from the Constitution but what they meant by welfare is different than what you mean.  If they meant what you meant then they would have established that sort of system, but they didn’t.  That system was not established until the 20th century.  I said this in my entry.

    Again, look at the charts.  The numbers of unworking poor have grown drastically.  Also, I gave a solution to the condition of poverty and unemployment.  I said to deport the illegals, close the borders, and let the welfare people have the jobs that the Mexicans used to work.  If they are really starving then they can go work on the farms, the fast food restaurants, the grocery stores, the warehouses, the construction sites, and fill the janitor jobs.  I never said anything about closing homeless shelters, that was all you.  Private charitees and homeless shelters will still be there.

    If you have been paying attention I have received some comments from people who worked with welfare recipients, and they can back up what I am saying.  So you want evidence that welfare is failing to get people working again?  How about the graphs I presented which show a continuous rise in people on welfare?  Come on man.

    BTW, sorry for my slowness but I will get around to responding to your other comments.

  • George Orwell was a smart man, I see ‘animal Farm’ as  more potant as an analogy of communism/socialism  and of course there are similar traits  of political theory but I see left wing ideology as closer to anarchy to be  honest.

  • @Amandascowen - I used to be an anarchist myself but am not really a true anarchist any more.  I have heard other people say that anarchy is left wing but have never heard the reasoning behind that.  Why do you think it’s left wing?

  • You just ignore my arguments and repeat your empty assertions.

  • @agnophilo - It’s been a while so you’re going to have to tell me what you’re talking about.  What argument(s) do you want me to address?

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