October 23, 2012
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The Relatability of Obama
I have to say, the more Obama talks, the less I like him. I have never seen a politician more fake than this man, or even a human being for that matter. Everything he says is either insincere or poorly stated, but mostly insincere. It seems like every time he says “the American people” he chokes a little. Just watch him. He has a hard time getting it out.
Obama and his followers, as well as the media sycophants, continually attack Romney for his 47% comment, but that comment was 100% correct.
All Romney did was call attention to the elephant in the room which everyone knew was already there. Of course Obama is saying that he is the president of all of America, and that he cares about everyone, but that comment is blatantly false. The truth is Obama has done nothing at all to connect with the most iconic group in the US, which is the traditional American. He’s all about class conflict, race baiting, and world pleasing. He knows that the traditional American is not going to vote for him, so he makes no effort to reach us, and the positions he takes on many issues are such that preclude any chance of garnering our support or sympathy.
His “Wake the F*** up” commercial with Samuel L. Jackson is a prime example of the disconnect between him and us. In that commercial he presents a false view of welfare recipients, and he makes the claim that Romney is against unions, “gay marriage” and that he wants to cut welfare. If that is true then God bless Romney. Am I really supposed to identify with his support of homosexuality, unions, and parasitism/welfare? None of those are causes that traditional Americans can identify with. This is another elephant in the room, just like Romney’s 47%. We know it and Obama knows it. Also, since when is it not vulgur to use the F-bomb in a political ad. What sort of people is Obama trying to campaign to here? Is that supposed to be clever and gimmicky?
Also, I know what Obama thinks about me and others like me:
“And it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” Obama said back in 2008.
No I will not let that statement go, because it’s a statement of his position, and it shows how he disdains the traditional American. Tell you what Obama, we will keep our guns, our religion, our money, and our freedom, and you can keep the change.
It’s an insult that a man like this says that he is everyone’s president, when clearly he represents a set of interests that the traditional American cannot identify with. I don’t want anything his man has to offer. I don’t want more gun regulations, more taxes, more government involvement in my life, more government involvement in education, welfare, planned parenthood, treaties with the UN, military reduction, and I sure as shamrocks do not trust Russia. This man has his prioties backwards.
I especially do not care for his economic plans (which are tax and spend), or the class warfare he advocates. He talks about the wealthy paying their “fair share,” when the top 5% is already paying over 50% of the taxes. This man has a skewed idea of fair. Actually, he does not care for fair at all, he hates achievment, and he wants to punish it. He talks about Romney’s financial success and his running a business as if it were a bad thing, but that’s a good thing, because it actually shows that he knows how to generate money and how to manage it. If Obama had some experience in that area then the Federal deficit would not be what it is. As I have stated before, I want to keep my job. To me job security is more important than a socialist “safety net” which I would never use anyways on moral grounds. If my employer goes under than so do I, and in fact many small businesses will go under if the government interferes with their ability to meet operational costs, which is what Obama plans to do with his higher taxes. Also, raising taxes does no good whatsoever if spending is also raised. All that will do is open the hole in a leaky boat even wider.
The other day I was complaining to my dad about how I lose about $400 a month in taxes, mostly Federal but some state. That was when my dad told me that he loses $5000 a month to taxes, and Obama wants to raise that amount. Why would I want taxes raised on an family member, especially my parents? It’s ridiculous, but Obama is always making comments about how the wealthy should pay more because they have more, and trying to portray them as greedy and somehow less virtuous than everyone else, and with a different set of interests. That’s my family Obama is talking about, and they give more in to charity than the average person makes in a year. My dad was audited once because some dolt in the IRS could not believe how much money he gave to charity that year. The fool there was simply incredulous, because the average liberal and government worker cannot conceive of voluntay giving on such a scale. What they like is government giving, which involves taking money out of one persons hands and putting it into anothers.
So basically Obama is taking the stance of those “occupy” crackheads. He wants to appeal to the entitlement and freeloader mentalities. Usually people are wealthy because they are smarter than the average person and harder working. If you want to go to work 10 hours a day and be on call during the weekends, and do everything you can for your employer as if it were a personal project and a matter of personal pride then you might just become wealthy. The class warfare does not appeal to me at all, and I find it much easier to identify with the wealth creators than I do with either the government or the perpetual welfare recipients.
Comments (113)
Well Spoken.
@derekwilson24 - Thanks man. Do you also feel your intelligence insulted when this man tries to say that he is campaigning for your interests?
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Yes. But anymore when he talks I just tend to not listen because I know that the next thing to come out of his mouth is probably another lie.
He is Bankrupting America.
I don’t care that much for Romney either, but … just… but. There’s no other choice.
As opposed to all the lies, mistruths, and misleading statements made by Mitt Romney. You’re deluded if you think the situation is going to change much for the better, if at all, under a Romney administration.
The top 5% pay 50% of taxes is misleading. In usual circumstances, ~40% of households don’t pay income taxes because they don’t meet the minimum threshold to be taxed. Simply put, they don’t have the money to pay: LINK
A similar study shows the control of wealth and net worth, which also highlights the disparity present in this country and thus how it can appear that a small proportion pays the majority of taxes because they earn or control most of the wealth in the country. LINK
@cmdr_keen - Saying that, “Everybody does it,” or, “Everyone is corrupt so it’s hopeless,” is not only an irrational argument but it makes a liar out of Barack Obama who ran on “Hope and Change.”
Just because you favor a liar, does not mean that I do.
There are no men more honest then Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.
And I agree with you that Barack Obama is a liar. The Benghazi and Fast and Furious murders and their cover-ups prove that.
Well said, on why I won’t vote for Obama.
As for why I won’t vote for Romney, that’s a whole different beast. But at least he doesn’t insult business owners on the reg.
@blonde_apocalypse - There is a choice! There are other candidates, no matter how small they are. At least that is what I found out last night. I didn’t think much of it until yesterday evening.
@gamerd - yes he is
@Hinase - I’ve voted Libertarian for years because that’s whom I usually agree with, but it’s a symbolic gesture, far more of an expression of opinion than any contribution to who actually gets elected. No third-party candidate will ever be elected to president in this country without a major change in the elective system.
@cmdr_keen - I don’t think Romney will make things a lot better, but I do think he will set us on the right course, and I also think that Barack Osama will make things much much worse, and perhaps irreperably worse, assuming it is not so already. But I do know that some of the reforms Romney has planned should be good for my business, or the business I work for, which means job security and possibly more money for me.
Just because they have money to pay does not mean that government should take half of it. Not only does that damage the economy but it also discourages success. The government takes about 40% of my dad’s salary (my dad is in the group that Obama has chosen to wage war on), and for me they take about 300 out of 2000 a month, but I also lose 100-150 in state taxes. $2000 a month without taxes is still a sad and meager wage, and it’s going to be less when I start paying for health insurance. So I don’t identify with anything Obama has to offer, or anything he says.
Also, you do know what a lie is yes? A lie is when you deliberately and knowingly tell a falshood as if it were truth. Being mistaken is not automatically the same thing as lying, because lying requires intent. Now when it comes to intentional deception, the award has to go to Obama.
@blonde_apocalypse - That’s right. Getting rid of Obama has to take precedence over teaching the Republican party a lesson.
@Hinase - You can vote for other people, and you can do a write in vote for anyone, but if you do that then you are pretty much giving Obama another slot. There are lot’s of people on the right who want to teach the Republicans a lesson, or give a protest vote, but people on the left don’t do that. All the leftists are behind Obama, and they are all going to come out to the polls for him.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Well said
“No I will not let that statement go, because it’s a statement of his position, and it shows how he disdains the traditional American.”
the traditional American sounds like an uneducated moron who hopefully dies out within the next century.
@Hinase - A vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for Obama.
Voting for losers is a waste of voting.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I guess so :/
@blonde_apocalypse - That is true sadly. We need to get out of this two party system.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Hmmm..:/
I wasn’t sure whether to laugh or cry when I read this: “Usually people are wealthy because they are smarter than the average person and harder working. “
Uh, no, sweetheart. Sorry. Usually people are wealthy because they were lucky enough to be born the children of someone who is wealthy. Occasionally someone smart and hard-working makes it to the top (Bill Gates), but usually, rich people are rich because their parents were rich, and their parents were rich, and usually the first one got there through some sort of violence, like white-collar crime, or tax evasion, or the Mafia, or in some cases (especially in Europe) all the way back to feudal lords. Donald Trump and Mitt Romney are not hard-working people.
Wealth isn’t completely uncorrelated with intelligence or hard work, but most of the correlation is accounted for within the middle range, where a smarter person becomes a neurosurgeon instead of an auto mechanic. At the bottom of the range (poor people), disadvantages would prevent even the most brilliant person from succeeding. And at the top of the range (billionaires), almost everyone is there because they were born with advantages they inherited from their parents.
“To me job security is more important than a socialist “safety net” which I would never use anyways on moral grounds.”
Seriously? You use the socialist safety net RIGHT NOW, assuming that you live within our borders where China can’t attack you, and drive on public roads, and you will get Social Security when you get old.
Also, are you really telling me that if something happened to you that caused you to not have enough money to feed yourself, you wouldn’t get on food stamps? Really? You’d just starve? At least then we’d be rid of your nonsense.
“If Obama had some experience in that area then the Federal deficit would not be what it is.”
Do you even know what the deficit is? Or how it works? Because right now it’s actually not particularly high. In fact, it should probably be higher, but I’m sure that complex economic concepts like “cyclical deficit” are above your pay grade. It’s just a fact that as a percentage of GDP, Obama’s deficit is not any higher than plenty of other Presidents.
I don’t know how Mitt Romney would run fiscal policy; HE WON’T TELL US. But suppose for a moment he ran it the way he ran Bain Capital. He took out enormous loans using the assets of the company as collateral, in order to do leveraged buyouts and then let the company collapse while skimming a golden parachute off the top. THAT is Romney’s “business experience” you keep raving about. If he did that to the federal government… I think we’d all end up speaking Mandarin.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Governments don’t just TAKE MONEY, you moron. They SPEND ON THINGS. Things like soldiers, and roads, and schools. Things you use all the time. Things you need to survive.
Reasonable people can debate what the proper tax rates should be in order to provide public goods while avoiding economic distortions. I actually agree with eliminating corporate taxes (though I would replace them with very high capital gains taxes).
What is NOT reasonable is for people like you to insist that the government just confiscates wealth and burns it. The government provides all sorts of valuable services, many of which could not be provided any other way.
I bet if Romney becomes president, things will not get better. You cannot make things better. Things are going downhill from here and out. There is no hope. No salvation.
@Hinase - Hey you’re back!
I explained to the 2nd graders at lunch that welfare involves taking money from some people and giving it to other people. I said I’m poor and could qualify for it, but I refuse. I asked them if they liked welfare, and they said no after I explained. I told them “Communism is when the government takes people’s money for everything. That’s what our president, Obama is.” They were wide-eyed as ever, “REALLY?” “Oh that’s awful.” The one good part about working with crotch droppings is I can influence them if I am in the mood. They haven’t yet been very brain-washed by the culture’s academics.
I don’t think President Obama is a bad guy. I don’t think he is dishonest. I think he has strong character.
I just think he is in over his head. I don’t understand why we have to demonize the opposition. The reality is that George W. Bush was a nice guy with strong character. President Obama is a nice guy with strong character. Ronald Reagan was a nice guy with solid character. President Carter was a nice guy with solid character.
Ok. Ok. Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon were dishonest. But that was exposed with both of them.
I’ll state at the start that i cannot support Mitt. First, his “revenue neutral” debt plan makes no sense. If he plans to continue tax breaks for the upper-class while also saying he will not raise taxes on the middle-class, then there is no way to solve the debt unless he borrows, increases taxes on the poor, closes millions of tax loopholes (such as his Caymans account), or has a hidden ace he decided not to reveal despite this tight race. Second, his need to strengthen the military while also saying he’ll solve education, government infrastructure, corporate, and the national debt isn’t fiscally responsible. I would like to see how he would allocate funds among all these issues. Thirdly, Mitt’s stance on reducing corporate monitoring is very disturbing (see Enron/investment banks). Lastly, his ability to reject his own successful health care reform to garner support of his party is pathetic. By this action, he has placed party loyalties and political support before policies that benefit the public.
This is not to say the past 4 years have been spectacular for me as a freshly graduated college student or the prospect of paying increased taxes is ideal. Unfortunately, this is the price we pay for having lax policies during the previous Bush Jr. presidency. It’s very tough to say that it could have been much worse without Obama’s policies but that is the severity of the situation we faced. I will vote for Obama on account that I believe his stances are more fiscally responsible and that the republican dominated senate is filibusterer-ing the reforms that need to happen.
@DrummingMediocrity -
I am basing the following comment on the assumption you’re a second grade teacher:
If you are teaching at a public school, then the “communist government” is paying your salary. Your “socialist” stand point on current government is misplaced because all presidential administrations have been collecting taxes to redistribute since the early foundation of America. I should also note that you referred to the kids as “crotch droppings” that you could influence if you were in the mood. Please enlighten me as how that is not “brain-wash[ing] by the culture’s academics”.
@flapper_femme_fatale - Actually if you check the statistics our birth rates are much better than yours are.
@monkie_dance - I’m not a teacher and the comment was in jest. Fuck off.
Excellent, excellent post.
Nobama!
@pnrj - First of all, if you want to debate you should practice being less flamboyant. Sun Tsu said never to let your enemies see your emotions, and you are practically oozing with them. If I was a vindictive person I could easily manipulate you into a mindless drooling rage, but I would rather just respond to what you said.
Second, you are clearly a Marxist. The American dream is all about working your way up in life, and that was a major component of the culture and history here. My family all started out as poor immigrants, and they all worked their way up. Most of them were not even college educated. I had one ancestor who came here from Germany and worked his way up as a carpenter, and he quite literally built his own house. I’m sure if Obama had been around back then he would have told him “you didn’t build that.” Of course there are plenty of other stories about people working their way up.
To be fair things are much harder these days than they were historically, but to say that the majority of wealthy people are born into privilige is simply inaccurate. I know that is what Marx says, and in the early 1800′s that true of many of the upper class people in Europe, where you had landed nobility and land holding families which owned all the land since the middle ages and simply lived off the revenues of it, but that is certainly not true of the US. Nor has it ever been. You have a few people like that but not many.
I very much doubt you could do what Mitt Romney has done, or what most business owners have done. Also, I saw what my dad did to earn his way up, so I have seen how hard it is. You probably think you deserve to have what my dad has just because you exist, but that’s not how the real world works, and when governments try to force things to work that way then you end up with hellholes like the USSR and North Korea. So go to work and work harder than everyone else, spend 9 to 12 hours in work each day, and you will gradually move up in the heirarchy. But once you get higher you have more responsibilities, which means you are on call all the time. They can call you, email you, and text you on any day off, and if you don’t address the issue then your job is on the line. Also, the higher you get the more people and projects you have to keep track of, so if you don’t have the kind of mind that can process and keep track of many situations at once, and if you aren’t detail oriented, then you are probably going to fail. This is life.
Do you really not know what I mean by a socialist safety net or are you attempting to be smug? It’s hard for me to tell with you guys.
Well to answer your question about welfare, it’s a matter of morals. Is there a situation that would cause me to feel such hunger that I would steal to save myself? I don’t know, but the Bible does say that God will provide for those who serve him, and it also says not to steal. Of course if you don’t believe in the Bible then what it comes down to is the fundamental question of “do you respect the property rights of others”? Also, a real man doesn’t want to be supported by other people, he wants to support himself. A real man could never be happy or content being in a situation where he has to provide for himself.
Mitt Romney said exactly how he was going to run things, and like most other liberals you either did not listen or you lacked the wits to understand. Do you want me to explain it to you or are you just here to vent some emotion?
Yes I know they spend it, and most of what they spend it on is a complete waste. If the government cut all foreign aid and social programs such as welfare and foodstamps then there would easily be enough money to pay off the debt, and without raising taxes.
@DrummingMediocrity - Very good. If only all the teachers could be like that. Instead it seems like they focus all their efforts on turning kids into liberals and “world citizens.” They are taught to hate America, hate producers, hate the wealthy, hate white people, and love government.
BTW, what is it you do? Maybe you already told me but I don’t remember.
@Marica0701 - That’s some change you can believe in!
@cmdr_keen – I am a woman.. and to be honest, that really is all it took for me to know I am not in favor of a Romney Adminstration.
@DrummingMediocrity - Couldn’t tell since that standpoint has been taken by some people arguing from the republican side (see Ambrosius’ response to your comment). Excuse me for keeping it civil despite you making it unclear that it “was in jest”.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - political and religious beliefs are not genetic. and being born to conservatives doesn’t mean you’ll be one. i’m proof enough of that.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I’m a Therapeutic Staff Support. It’s a horrible bullshit job paid for indirectly by medicaid. Basically I’m supposed to help redirect antisocial behaviors one-to-one in children (mostly the crotch droppings of welfare mongers) over a long period of time which 50 years ago would have been easily corrected with corporal punishment. The mental fraud industry has corrupted society with all kinds of PC nonsense. Schools can’t even restrain students who are physically violent towards other students, as that would be “battery.” I could be charged with child abuse if I told a kid to “shut up” (I got close last week). Our society is like a fucking parody, and most adults who aren’t exposed don’t know it. I’ve learned a lot about the corruption of people in regards to welfare as well. It’s astounding.
For instance, many men intentionally get bipolar diagnoses and then live off social security. This enables them to avoid paying child support. I also love how everyone angelicizes poor people/welfare recipients, when they are just as mean as anyone…. One mother said she doesn’t think poor people in Africa should get any charity, that they should “reep what they sow.” And then she goes on, “I mean, I know I’ve lived off welfare… but still, I reep what I sow.” She has TWO autistic sons, another son, and was pregnant last I saw her. Both of the boys get tons of money in social security, they get food stamps, and her husband is on unemployment even though he works all the time on the side.
I now know how the world works and I am extremely cynical and angry for it.
I hate everything my job stands for, I hate doing it, and I want to leave. I can’t even get a cashier job in this economy so my only real choices right now are 1) stay at this job and hope my impending stroke is delayed or 2) quit and move back in with my parents (in a different state). I pick one, until it gets just a little worse.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - @blonde_apocalypse - @Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - For me there is nothing more important than teaching the two corrupt, bloated parties in washington a lesson by not voting for them. When a person fails at their job, or causes serious harm in the course of their work, they are fired. The same should and MUST be true of government work. The two largest parties have shown all they are capable of is playing a petty game of tug-o-war while the nation burns.
and yes, maybe even if a 3rd party candidate gets ten percent of the vote it won’t make him/her president. But they’ll be stronger the next go around. and the next. People in America seem to have this idea that whatever two parties we have, we are stuck with. This is false. Look at our history: Whigs, Tories, Federalists, Anti-Federalists–all once one of the major parties. All gone once they began to fail in their duties to the American people–just as the Democrats and Republicans have done.@Hinase -
@DrummingMediocrity - As a teacher I am highly offended…that more people don’t see exactly as you do. Excellently put. I see the same problems every day :/
I didn’t watch the whole debate last night because i came home late but I thought the ships, horse and bayonets quote was hilarious. A little mean though but hilarious.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Many Americans would simply fall over at a $2000 salary. Do you know how many struggle to make less than half of that? I do not support communism and I of course believe that if you’ve done your honest day’s work you should enjoy your reaping. HOWEVER, imagine the news cast were everyone to be left to spend as they wish simply because they earned their money? More than half of America would be Haiti and the other half some sick utopia of sorts. Besides there would be no cheap labor that everyone enjoys. Persons whose ‘menial’ work goes unnoticed, pays too little to afford the BASIC necessities and the chance at a good education to break this cycle (which is what these taxes we complain about actually DO- or should; I’ll never be the hypocrite to claim there is always transparency), cannot possible aid in the work of taxes by giving what they have. If you were to check up how much you actually get to spend after taxes, you have more than maybe what a family may earn in two months- bearing in mind, you have the same needs to be met and your desires for investments and/ comforts come after. You talk about looking forward to paying health insurance, many families DREAM to have that dream they just have to ‘rough it’ and hope they don’t get sick. And with the poor diets they can afford, who’s to tell how long they can stave that off? You say his plans will cripple the economy. More poor people in the US will send it to it’s grave. If everyone gets opportunities as he is trying to create, at some point LESS people will depend on the government and so more persons will be taxable and taxes can be cut. What will Romney do with the old people and untaxable people? mmh? Send everyone to jail because they can’t afford a meal moreover a tax bill and he’s trying to level the costs of taxes? After your Dad pays that admittedly large sum monthly and then gives to charity, does he have challenge providing for his family dinner? Maybe not an exotic meal always but his family is provided for. His taxes will help future generations provide for their family so his and your grandkids may pay less someday
Look objectively please. See both sides have faults. Which side is less faulted- working for the common good of ALL concerned and no disregard of anyone pretending they don’t exist.
Now that was long. Not usually politically minded but I like reasoning and you had too many loops. No doubt you’ll want to point out some in mine but hey nothing is foul prove but one can try to be objective and forget self every now and again.
@DrummingMediocrity - What you’ve said is painfully true. Absolutely everyone lies, cheats corrupts in one way or another, whether you wish to look at it in comparison to which is netter than which. I can’t, or rather I won’t. Forget the government heads, if people who worked closely for the government actually paid attention in their jobs and made reports and actually stood by these reports to see actions, less people like that woman would get away with cheating the government and at length tax payers. I know a large family that has disabled kids and they aren’t exactly rich but they work extremely hard to pay their way not relying on the government. It’s individual morals. That’s really what it comes down to. I’ll walk away disgusted that people just can’t play fair. Then the joke is on me I suppose because no doubt in some way I’ve yet to figure out I’m doing my fair share of unfairness, maybe not with taxes or directly the government and my fellow country men but everything is connected. It’s easy to just do as you’ve expressed you want to which is simply give up on society. And society does seem hopeless, where to start with the big mess? Stephen Hawking, that great guy he is, said “It matters if you just don’t give up”. Seems stupid to be whispering when there’s a 150 decibel blast and expecting people to hear but still what’s a person without hope?
President Obama is young and totally cool. Mitt Romney is just another old fart GOP candidate with a bad dye job. He and Donald Trump probably have the same stylist. Anyone who looks at the voting records of the members of congress can see that it’s the GOP that are holding everything up out of spite like a bunch of spoiled brats. Time for outdated ideas and parties to move aside and let progressive thinking and ideas make this country great again. The moral majority was never moral nor was it a majority.
(1) Both of the big candidates have moments in which they are inconsistent and disconnected with the non-lawer American public. However, of the two big candidates, I would say that Obama is by far the most connected with humanity. He acknowledges that when a fraction of our people has basic rights taken away, then there’s no stopping those rights being taken away from the rest of Americans. Hence the emphasis on social justice. NOT communism, social justice. Fair pay for equal work, protection of women’s control over her own body, protection of the general welfare, etc. Social justice should be right up on that list of things “traditional Americans” stand for. Unless perhaps the “traditional American” has lost its sense of humanity?
(2) Also, one shouldn’t confuse hesitation with insincerity. Think back to your high-school days. How many of those smooth, confident, nice-talking teens cheated on their boyfriend/girlfriend? Basing the merit of a politician’s argument on unfaltering confidence is sweet but naive. Perhaps the “traditional American” wants to have a president who seems non-human and never admits to making mistakes? Godly, perhaps? Who has the economic cure-all? That’s a nice thought, but nobody has the cure-all. And if anyone did, I’m sure they’d have to make compromises when actually attempting to implement their cure-all, because, let’s face it, there are a lot of people involved in government decisions. (Darn checks and balances! )
(3) I think the thing that bothers me most about this entry is the idea that the “traditional American” has the most valid answers for America. Not only this, but the “traditional American” is a non-immigrant, is religious, is pro-gun, and is anti-trade. That definition excludes quite a lot of Americans. I think the traditional American is someone who
loves this country 
and is dedicated to life, freedom and pursuit of happiness, and not at the expense of others’ inalienable rights.
“Others” including but not limited to:
-Women (already half the country)
-Immigrants and non-white Americans
-Homosexuals, bisexuals, transgenders, and asexuals (Same Love!)
-Workers not receiving fair wages and benefits (such as, say, non-religious employees of religious hospitals that receive government funds)
-Religious minorities
-Children born into poor socioeconomic conditions beyond their control and who might not have access to basic healthcare, food, and educational opportunities
Obama supports the NDAA which is enough to disqualify him in my eyes. Though Romney supports the same thing, so its obvious I’m not voting for either of them.
@firetyger - Name one person who has been imprisoned because of NDAA.
You can’t.
That’s because the NDAA is a non-issue.
We’ve got to get Obama out of office. He is the clear and present danger to our nation, not a non-issue like NDAA.
@autumn_cannibal76 - The Republican Party came about because people organized to fight the great evil of slavery.
Independents have gone wacko over non-issues like NDAA.
Name one person who’s been imprisoned unjustly because NDAA.
…crickets
…crickets
Yet the Obama Regime picked a patsy for its Benghazi fiasco and imprisoned him.
The clear and PRESENT danger to this country is the Obama Regime and every elected official in the Democrat Party.
Romney is a good man and he’s the only candidate that can beat Obama.
Therefore if we value our nation, we will vote for Romney.
@pnrj - There is a difference between government spending on its constitutional functions and its spending on wealth redistribution.
Wealth redistribution is stealing which is immoral.
When the government engages in immoral actions it is committing oppression.
Also, it is government taxation and road building that have made American society dependent on fossil fuels.
So what you express about government spending and taxation is irrational since it fundamentally contradicts itself:
1. Social justice through stealing
2. Environmental policy that works against policy of institutionalizing the internal combustion engine.
@TheTheologiansCafe - Well put. I don’t necessarily agree that President Obama is “in over his head,” but certainly agree that demonizing the opposition isn’t helpful nor is it necessary. Unfortunately, that’s what we’re getting more and more in society and it’s not just in politics. There’s been violence over Twilight, of all issues. Team Jacob or Team Edward. It’s ridiculous.
As for Clinton and Nixon: each party can have one bad apple. XP
@monkie_dance - Well put. Succinct, and a clear summation of the issues.
@monkeytreehugger - Couldn’t agree more.
@The_Final_Acts - Obama got his entire agenda passed during the first 2 years of his term when he had overwhelming majorities in Congress.
The catastrophe we are seeing now is all courtesy of Obama & the Democrats.
The GOP House didn’t just happen. We the people are sick of the poverty, joblessness, $1,000,000,000,000 yearly deficits, $1,000,000,000,000 yearly welfare bill and all the lies.
Have you heard that Obama knew Benghazi was a terrorist operation from the very first day? LINK
Yet he had some poor innocent schmuck assaulted by the police in the dead of night and thrown in jail to try and cover up the attack.
@The_Final_Acts - Barack Obama is in his fifties, which makes him old.
And “cool” doesn’t cut it in the Presidency.
Words like “competent”, “character”, must define the President.
And those words apply to Mitt Romney, not Barrack Obama.
@TheTheologiansCafe - Barack Obama has been lying about Benghazi from day one. It’s just been proven through emails.
The CIA knew within 2 hours that it was a terrorist attack and promptly informed the President.
Barack Obama then had an innocent patsy dragged from his home in the middle of night and thrown in jail.
Those are the actions of a dishonest, banana republic dictator.
WAKE UP AMERICA!
@cmdr_keen - Nixon’s people went to prison for having 2 FBI files on private citizens.
The Clintons had 500 FBI files and skated.
The GOP doesn’t hold a candle to the Democrat Party corruption.
@TheTheologiansCafe - I think he is the most Anti-Christ like politician we have ever seen in the US. I wouldn’t put anything past him.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Wealth redistribution is tithing.
“Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord
of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you
out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.” Malachi 3:10
Tithing was originally having everyone in a town, city or village put some of their provisions aside to prevent starvation during drought or hard times. When societies became less agrarian and most people were no longer farmers tithing became more based on money and less on food, and what was “tithed” for was not just food but clothing or promoting the arts or various other enterprises for the common good. And as society advanced and we were able to do more and more things every generation has debated over what we should do publically or privately – new technologies force us to re-visit the question, but it’s the same thing, just setting aside what we have as a community to protect the common good. You can call this socialism or wealth redistribution or stealing if you want, but without it we would be screwed.
@monkie_dance - I have explained this to a few other people already. His plan will generate more revenue in the long run because it will put more people back to work, which means more people will be paying taxes, which of course means there will be more tax revenue. Obama wants to raise taxes and increase spending, which isn’t going to help a thing. Part of the problem we face now is that businesses are afraid to expand and hire new workers. A better more business friendly environment will fix that. Furthermore, revenues can be increased by slashing expenditures. Romney has stated that he would cut government programs. If it were me I would completely eliminate welfare, but let’s see what Romney does.
What Romney said about health care is that such decisions should be at the state level. What happened in Massachussetts was a state affair, not a Federal one. Massachussetts is mostly liberal, so they wanted socialized health care. Georgia (where I live) is mostly conservative, so we don’t want anything like that here. It’s the old idea of states rights, and that any powers not specifically delegated to the Federal government (such as medical care) are reserved explicitly to the states.
As a freshly graduated college student you probably realize that your prospects are bleak, at present. I have been though college twice. The first time I graduated was in 2005, and although I didn’t have a useful degree or a great average I still managed to get a good job. In 2007 I went back school and graduated in 2009 with a 4.0 GPA and a much more useful degree which involved field specific certifications, and I got nothing. This is how it is now. Some of the mess Obama inhereted, but he has definitely made it worse. Now I have to pay more than twice what I paid for gas before he was elected. The price of the cost of living has gone up but wages have not, and neither has employment. Again, not all of this is Obamas fault, some things just happen, but there are things he could have done to ameliorate it, like drilling for oil domestically and bringing in the pipeline from Canada, and he has blocked them and done the wrong thing at every turn. Taxing and spending is going to help nothing, and it will only increase the Federal debt. This man needs to go.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I think obama violates pseudo-christian stereotypes, but lives up to the actual ideals of christ better than most presidents we’ve had recently.
@agnophilo - Hey buddy, where have you been? I have made so many entries over the last few weeks and this is the first time I have seen you.
You know tithing is not the same thing as taxing. Tithing was giving to the temple (to support the priests and temple costs) in the OT, and in the NT tithing is giving to the church for the same reasons, but with the added purpose of supporting missions and whatever community outreach the church has. Also tithe is only 10%. How much does the government take?
@agnophilo - How so?
@agnophilo - Tithing is voluntary and done through private organizations called churches.
Wealth redistribution is the government extorting the wealth from those who earned it and giving it to those who did not earn it.
If I don’t tithe there is nothing my church can do to ruin my life.
However, the government has an entire police apparatus in place to make sure people “pay their fair share.”
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - You can’t be against the debt, which is made up of literally entirely republican policies (and tax cuts) and pro-republican and opposed to raising taxes. You want to have your cake and eat it too. Just like romney, he wants to say the federal government should not be involved in health insurance and say “my plan would cover pre-existing conditions” at the same time. His “plan” is that he shouldn’t have a plan at all, that the states should do something about it. You want to lower the deficit but without raising taxes. You want to get rid of crime presumably but you also want to give millions of americans for whom there simply are no jobs right now no alternative but to become criminals or starve to death (and watch their families starve). You like romney because he promises you things nobody can give you, diametrically opposed, impossible things. Like eating bacon and ice cream, sitting on your ass all day and losing five pounds a week. You like romney because he smiles and lies to your face. And you hate obama because he grits his teeth and tells you the way it really is.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Actually christians for most of history had to by law pay a church tax, so yeah. And the government takes more but also does vastly more, unless your local church has a few nuclear submarines I don’t know about.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - See the above comment. And should inheritance be illegal because rich kids didn’t earn their parents’ wealth? Is that wealth redistribution too? Romney didn’t earn his tuition, it was handed to him by daddy. Should that be illegal? And his father wouldn’t have made it without the food stamps he collected when he was poor.
Did you attend a public school? Did you pay for it out of pocket? Should only rich people who pay a certain amount in taxes be able to buy groceries, since the groceries they buy was able to be brought to the store by trucks which traveled on government subsidized roads, highways and bridges? Otherwise isn’t that “wealth redistribution”?
And for that matter didn’t jesus live on the charity of others in the bible? Are you anti-jesus?
@PrisonerxOfxLove - I was referencing the bible as a historical document, not invoking it as a moral authority, and even if I was citing a moral commandment in the bible it isn’t cynical or dishonest to point out the contradictions in someone’s worldview or to assume something to be true (like that the bible is the word of god or infallible) for the sake of argument.
@flapper_femme_fatale - But typically values, or the lack thereof, as well as beliefs, are usually passed on by parents. IQ however is at least partly genetic. The higher IQ liberals have low birthrates, while the low IQ liberals (like the Obamaphone lady and perpetual welfare recipients) have higher birthrates. Conservatives have decent birthrates across the board, and we tend to put lots of efforts into passing our values along, even though we have to work against the public education system.
@agnophilo - Sorry, somehow I missed this comment. The tie between conservatives and Republicans is not the same as the tie between liberals and the Democrats. You guys see your politicians as leaders, we see ours as public servants. Just because Bush or the Republicans did something doesn’t mean that we like it or that it’s a conservative policy. By the same token I could say that you should love Bush because Obama carried on all of his spending policies and added more to them, except for the space program, which he has killed.
If you’re on welfare you shouldn’t be having kids or getting married. I didn’t get married or even engaged until I got enough of a raise to support myself. I have not had sex once in my life. That being said, we have police and the 1st ammendment to protect us from cime. Also, more jobs can open up if we have a more business friendly environment. But you know what, I have my own plan, so maybe I will blog about it.
@agnophilo - But you know the Catholic church did lots of things during the middle ages which wre not Biblical. Part of the reason was that they were trying to fill some of the void left by the collapse of the Roman Empire. They were put in a really bad spot following the collapse of the western Roman Empire, and they did the best they could but they failed to adhere to Biblical principles, and they failed to provide political unity as well.
You know the government could survive on a 10% flat tax across the board if it cut foreign aid and entitlement spending. Government draws from a much larger basis than churches do.
Prisoner of Love, You’re talking to someone who watched the implosion of buildings occur on 9/11( including an empty CIA building set for demolition anyway) with nearly 3000 killed. Then I watched a GOP president lie about WMD and send troops off to Iraq to engage in a war we’re still paying for in lives and cost. I’ve watched 8 years of trickle down theory and policy take a huge surplus into a massive recession all courtesy of the GOP party. That is what President Obama ”inherited”. You want to rant about lies regarding Benghazi when it was the GOP party that voted to cut spending for protection to our ambassadors. You want to talk to me about someone that was “beaten and jailed”? Lets talk about Susan Lindauer, the only American imprisoned under the Patriot Act and then we can talk about Gitmo if you’re up to it. No, I’m sick of the GOP’s outdated ideas and policies. It’s time to move forward and rebuild this country. It’s time to re-enact the Fairness Doctrine that President Regan struck down and get some truth in our new reporting. President Obama has shown competence and character. I’ve only seen Mr. Romney flip flop on EVERY thing he has ever said. He is a very wealthy man supported by the super PACs. He would say anything to anyone to become president. As for the poor on food stamps etc. It makes me sick when I think of all the bail out money large corporations were given to keep from going belly up and how did they spend it? On bonuses for their executives. No more GOP bullshit! It’s time for a change. We’re in a new millenium. The torch needs to be passed.
Just on a side note, Prisoner of Love, if I were that shallow, a man who makes hoop shots like our president, would have my vote on that alone. He is young. Mr. Romney looked like his hemmorhoids were bothering him every time he walked around the stage at the town hall debate. To Amrosius Augustus Rax, thank you for allowing me to express my opinion on your site.
@DrummingMediocrity - I’m going to send you a note to respond ot part of this because there are some things that I don’t want to reveal to everyone. But yes, it does seem like a bullcrap job. Have you considered going overseas for work? In China and South Korea they are always looking for people from the US to teach English proficiency, and Asian kids don’t have a fraction of the behavior issues that the kids here do. In fact they have none. All you need is a college degree in anything. You just go there to work, and they pay for your housing and travel expenses. The pay is only about 1000 a month usually, but the cost of living there is much longer. If things get rough here my plan is to go to either China or South Korea for work, and then maybe just stay there until retirement. You should check it out. Compared with the crap you have to deal with now it will be like a cold drink of water on a hot summer day in Texas.
I think if we are going to have welfare we should at least sterilize the people who are on it. Sterilization ought to be a pre-requisite for signing up. Of course they won’t do that because welfare is nothing but a state sponsored dysgenics program to breed more idiots. As you know, the left likes idiots. It’s a historically proven fact. In prosperous and semi-free countries they like idiots because they can rely on them for votes. Once they permanently come into power (North Korea, USSR, Cambodia/Pol Pot) then they like idiots because idiots don’t question or challenge them. If they say a duck is a dog then all the idiots say “it’s a dog.” I’m actually considering switching my stance form being anti-abortion to pro-abortion if Obama wins this time, or at least neutral towards abortion. I still think abortion is sick and wrong, but on the other hand it might help the gene pool a little.
Anyways I feel your pain. If I’m successful in starting my own business I will keep you in mind for some work.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - i think you’re fighting a losing battle. everyone used to love slavery and hate black people, think that demons caused epilepsy, and think that a woman’s uterus would wander. education tends to stamp out ignorance and bigotry.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Name one person? I would, if the government was required to release information about those they indefinitely detain. But they aren’t. They can lock up anyone, anytime, for any reason. Without proof or trial. If you believe this is a non-issue, you’re naive.
Very interesting post. It’s sad, the amount of “warfare” that is created and fussed about for the sake of winning the votes of the easily influenced. When comparing our class warfare to that of societies throughout the history of the world, we have it easy. It’s funny that people try to talk like they’re Marxists in the United States in the modern day when they know nothing of the context Marx was coming from and don’t realize what they’re asking for.
Same goes for the “war on women”…fabricated to get votes. If you can make someone believe that the right is scheming to eventually take away our birth control and make us all sister wives, they’ll vote for…a banana, as long as it’s liberal and over the age of 35.
I’ll be voting for Gary Johnson. I’ve been told it’s a waste of a vote but I’m just gonna do what I want. Heheh
@firetyger - So your explanation for not being able to explain your belief is that the government is hiding everything.
That explanation is the same as the “alternate universe” theory that atheists give to explain away scientific evidence that the universe had a First Cause.
In other words, it’s ridiculous.
Rational thought is based on actual evidence not paranoid delusions or alternate universes.
@agnophilo - You’re argument is that since the Medieval Church oppressed Christians into tithing, it’s okay for our modern, 21st Century American republic to oppress its people into wealth redistribution.
It is obvious that your argument is irrational.
Do you want me to explain the obvious to you or can you handle unraveling the madness for yourself.?
@flapper_femme_fatale - The South got decimated into oblivion by the North over the issue of slavery and keeping the Union together.
That’s proof that what you said in your comment is false: everyone did NOT love slavery.
Abraham Lincoln was presenting the moral, rational arguments against slavery as early as the 1850′s.
And Christians were leading the charge to abolish slavery.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - It is rather apparent you haven’t read the bill. Read it and then respond to me.
@firetyger - We’ve gone over this already. I’ve read the bill.
You are making an issue where none exists.
The real issue is Barack Obama and his destruction of our American society.
We must be rid of him. Voting for Mitt Romney helps accomplish that objective.
Obsessing over a non-issue does not.
@PonderingThings - 2000 a month is BEFORE taxes, after taxes it’s about 1,600 a month. For the time being, I’m living with my parents. When my fiance comes here I am going to get married and move out. So let’s look at the expenses. It’s going to be about 600 a month for rent and utilities, and about 500 for medical insurance for two people. Gas costs me about $55 every two weeks because right now I live close to work. When I was living on my own back in 2005-2007 I paid about 300-400 a month for food. How much enjoying do you think I’m going to be doing? Why should I not want to keep the money that the government takes?
I don’t understand your comment about spending money. Are you trying to say that when people keep their money countries end up like Haiti? That is simply not born out by any sort of evidence. Haiti is a pesthole for a variety of reasons, but the average person there has very little money, and there is next to no production going on there either.
The poor people in the US have more than the average middle class household in India. You need to get out and travel the world before you start talking about how bad things are in the US. Most people on welfare are fat,and you have generations of people on it. Also, these people are having kids even though they know they can’t support them. Why should I have to pick up someone else’s slack? I don’t know these people. If you decide to staple your hand to a table should I have to pay your medical bill? Think about it.
There is voluntary giving, and there is theft. If you give money to charity or to the poor out of your own pocket then that’s fine, and is in fact noble. If you give money to the poor out of my pocket then that’s theft. You don’t have the right to take something from someone else just because you exist. You aren’t entitled to money for existing. Let them work for a living, if there are no jobs then let’s cut immigration and put them to work doing the things Mexicans are doing.
As for taking money from my dad, no, I am never going to see a return on that and neither will my family. In fact my inheritance will be smaller as a result. Look, I’m 31 and still not married. I didn’t even propose to my fiance until I got enough of a raise to scrape by until she gets a job. If we can’t make enough in the US to get by then I have job offers overseas I can go to. That’s called planning. If I was an irresponsible slacker like the welfare people I would have had kids by now, marriage or not, but I chose to be responsible even if it meant that I might get too old to have kids or get married. You have to be responsible, and the government needs to quit subsidizing irresponsible behavior.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - It makes no sense to believe it is a non-issue since Congress (both Dems/Reps) and the Obama Administration fought tooth and nail to keep the provisions in the bill that allow them to secretly detain Americans. It then follows that this is because they intend to use it and may be using it already. Romney says he fully supports it as well. Because they need not report anything, they would -never- tell us the truth of whether they are using it or not. To ask me to name a person imprisoned is asinine because names will never be released. That’s the whole point of those provisions.
I honestly believe the only reason you’re not adamantly against this is because your candidate supports it as well. Easier to play off the destruction of our Constitutional rights as no big deal than to face the fact that Romney is just as much of an enemy to it as Obama is.
@firetyger - The main issue right now is to preserve American society.
Barack Obama and the Democrats and hell bent on destroying it.
They must be defeated at this election or America is gone forever.
Please prioritize the issues. If Obama wins far worse things are in store for us than NDAA.
Vote for Romney.
He is the only human being on the planet who stands a chance of defeating Barack Obama.
@monkeytreehugger - Let me respond point by point.
1) Governments neither create nor take away rights. Rights either exist indendently of human theories and intentions, or they do not exist at all. They can either respect or impenge upon rights, but not truly take them away. That being said, there is a discrepency in your statement about rights being respected. What about all the unborn babies being killed? What about people who are working having to pay extra taxes so that someone who isn’t working gets some free income? It seems to me like your priority is not social justice or respecting people’s rights as much as pushing a particular agenda and social structure on everyone.
As for abortion, no one is talking about taking away a woman’s control over her own body. Women have control over who they spread their legs for, or if they spread their legs at all. They can also go and buy conraception. Not having sex isn’t that hard. I managed to make it to 31 without having sex and I’m a man with a manly sex drive. The problem with abortion is that you want to have the power of life and death over someone else’s body, by that I mean of course the unborn baby.
2) Nobody has the cure all but some guys will do more damage than others. One thing is I’m tired of paing $55 to fill up my gas tank. I want the price of gas to come down, and energy indepence is the way to go.
3) America was founded by white, religious (mostly Christian), anti-tax, independent minded, gun owning people. Of course someone does not have to be white to be a traditional American as far as I am concerned, and anyways black people have been here just as long as we have, and Native Americans have been here longer, but one DOES have to respect and adhere to the philosophical basis on which his country was founded, which is self ownership and personal responsibility. This entitlement and dependence mentality we see in Obama supporters is completely alien and antithetical to the philosophical basis of the Founding Fathers.
As for this list, I don’t really know what point you are trying to make.
dogs
cats
blue cars
junkmail
See, I can also rattle off a list, but without clarifying what the significance of each item is or actually making a point there is no way I can address it.
@Manic_Butterflies - The left cannot campaign based on facts and logic, so they have to campaign based on conflict. They create issues and conflict, and then they present themselves as being the ones to solve those issues and resolve the conflicts.
As for voting 3rd party, you have the right to do that, and I can respect your reasoning, but for me the risk of Obama winning is too great. I would rather see Obama gone than make an ideological point to the Republicans which will probably be lost on them anyways. I think if Obama wins then we can forget about ever getting the Democrats out of power again. He will fix things so that his party can stay in power. He will get more people on welfare, and flood the country with more 3rd world immigration, so that Democratic victory will be forever ensured.
@flapper_femme_fatale - That is simply wrong. There was never a time when everyone loved slavery and hated black people. If you were well educated you would know that.
As for your comment about education, yes a proper education can ameliorate ignorance, but when you make comments about ignorance and bigotry it really carries no weight since you use those words to loosly describe everyone who disagrees with your ideology.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - I agree 100%. If Obama wins we won’t have a country anymore. The Democrats and their collaborators in the media will fix things so that they can stay in power indefinitely. We can expect to see an increase in the amount of people on welfar (again), and a huge surge in 3rd world immigration.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Let’s not forget to mention the anti-slavery people in the South. Slavery was originally banned in Georgia because Oglethorpe thought it was immoral, and even during the War Between the States you had people in the south who were anti-slavery, including General Robert E. Lee.
@cmdr_keen - Did you write a comment to me and then delete it? If so, I find that very mean-spirited. Way to leave me on a cliffhanger. I will not accept friend requests from a person who leaves me in such a state of suspense.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Thanks for the thoughtful response. That is something noteworthy of mention to bring up about the Asian countries. I’m introverted and cynical, and I hate displays of excessive expressiveness, so I’ve always gotten along well with them. My first job was for a year and a half in my freshman year of high school, where I was working for them and almost half of my classmates in school growing up were of Asian extraction. I loved how strict and precise they were.
I am pro-fetus murder for irrelevant reasons, but the cause for legitimate neutralizing of a devolving society is by far the most convincing for me. My dad feels like you on the subject. He points out the correlation between inner city crime reduction and increased abortion availability as unlikely a coincidence, at least. The murdered fetus probably wouldn’t have been the next Einstein, but it would probably have been a badly behaved, societal parasite. I completely agree about sterilization. I can’t believe how much easier it is to kill a fetus than to permanently prevent its occurance in the first place.
@DrummingMediocrity - I am also the same. After watching Biden debate I was thoroughly disgusted. I don’t trust me who smile too much, and that guy was so emotional. Not only that but all of his arguments were based on emotion. He failed to connect with me on any level and succeeded in repelling me in nearly every level. But yes, Asian cultures have what it takes to survive. The future of the world belongs to Asians and Indians. White people were the dominant force in the 19th and 20th centuries, but this century is a transitional period, and in the next it’s going to be Indians and Asians who will dominate the world, and it will be from Asians and Indians that the majority of technological progress and human advancement comes. Our decline as a race and as a people is written all over the wall, thanks mostly the the oikophobic policies of the liberals.
I do believe that abortion is wrong, but at the same time I cannot disregard the fact that society is better off with less non-producers and criminals in it. So while I don’t personally support abortion or agree with it, I don’t think that all of the results it has are bad. There is a silver lining to these people producing less babies. If Obama wins the next election I will probably never go to another pro-life rally again. Anyways it’s pointless because none of the Republicans are ever going to do anything about abortion.
BTW, I was really serious about looking for work in South Korea or China. If you want to give it a try I can reccomend some agencies. It might take me some time to dig them up again but you can get work pretty quick that way.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - If you don’t mind the work of digging them up, I would be interested to at least read up on it. Thanks!
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Well said. (Sorry for my billion replies tonight, I’m all heated!) I say the same thing about welfare. I should be making around 2260 before taxes a month but I’m usually not even getting half that (again, before taxes) due to never getting the hours I’m allotted, so poverty is always on my mind. My libertarian boyfriend even said I should be applying for food stamps (I did once, but declined it at last minute, so I know I am applicable) and other subsidies. My reply is (barring food pantries, soup kitchens, clothing drives, family help, and other VOLUNTARY charity provided to me by good people) I will only accept money stolen from other people when I am at a point that I am willing to actually steal from other people myself. No one else should do my dirty work. A thief is a thief, whether or not he has a mediator. Just like a person who hires a hitman is still a murderer. Same deal, except the government doesn’t like to incriminate itself. That said, if I am at a point that I have exhausted such other resources, I’d probably kill myself. Stealing from other people is incomprehensible to me.
@PonderingThings -
1) A college education is unjustifiably expensive. This is because government grants/scholarships/loans allow increasing numbers of young people to go to colleges at higher prices, which causes inflation. If less money were handed out, less people would be in college. If less people were going to college because of this reason, colleges would have to start competing for price, rather than luxury. As it is right now, so many students choose colleges based on unnecessary fringes (like free transportation, football tickets, etc.) because so many of them are paying with someone else’s money, or loans they do not yet have the cognitive capacity to comprehend (i.e. free money, for NOW). Less college graduates and more entry-level/apprenticeship workforce would eventually (not immediately) reshape the job force; less demand for higher and higher-level educated employees. Point is: government intrusion into the marketplace is destructive to EVERYONE. The poor, the rich; and once the rich are affected, it trickles back down to the poor, again.
2) I, as a responsible and child-free adult, should not have to pay for other people’s kids. If someone else wants to help poor families, they do not have a right to do so with my money. If you think it’s the “collective” majority’s will to do so, then the collective majority should give that money out of their own free will. I am not the majority, and I should not be held at gun point for the fact that I refuse to be. A majority should never have autonomy over another person’s private property. To believe otherwise is communism at its utmost evil core.
3.) You have an endearing yet unrealistic vantage point of welfare recipients. That is, you assume the majority of them want to stop. The incentives which exist to keep them receiving are undeniable and yet, unbelievable. And that’s in addition to the natural human (selfish) inclination to work as little for as much as possible. Capitalism works because individuals profit off of each other because of said inclination.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - You’re just putting words in my mouth. I said that tithing was not optional in response to you saying tithing was not (in the distant past) socialism because it was optional. I made a comment about how communities have managed their resources communally for thousands of years and how this is even commanded in the bible to some extent, which of course like a good american christian you couldn’t care less about.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - A “flat tax across the board” would tax the poor to death. Even the proponents of a supposedly “flat tax” say they would just give the poor a tax credit to negate their taxes. You can’t not have a graduated tax system, you either collapse the government or tax the poor into oblivion. These attempts to wipe the slate clean and reinvent the tax code altogether are just scams to tilt it more in favor of the wealthy, every single tax proposal I’ve heard that reinvents the tax system does so. And foreign aid is around 1% of the federal budget even now that it includes some quasi-war spending, that you’re even bringing it up in the context of deficit reduction like it’s some huge part of the national debt is just silly. And the notion that getting rid of the social safety net would be good for our economy, aside from being pure evil, is just stupid. Yeah ramp up poverty to the extreme when unemployment is very high – what could possibly go wrong? You see democratically established welfare programs (many of which like food stamps were established by republican presidents) as evil socialist theft of your money, but all getting rid of them will do is turn people on welfare into actual criminals and force them to break into your house and actually steal to survive.
Also how is doing what god commanded un-biblical?
@Manic_Butterflies - There actually was a huge, systematic push by republicans to limit access to abortions, birth control and equal pay for women, usually by dishonest and quasi-legal means. The “war on women” isn’t as fictional as you make it out to be. The lily leadbetter fair pay act was voted against by 97% of the republicans in congress for instance.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
“Sorry, somehow I missed this comment. The
tie between conservatives and Republicans is not the same as the tie
between liberals and the Democrats. You guys see your politicians as
leaders, we see ours as public servants. Just because Bush or the
Republicans did something doesn’t mean that we like it or that it’s a
conservative policy.”
Yeah, that’s why george bush had the highest approval rating on record and went around calling himself “the decider”. Nobody followed him at all…
“By the same token I could say that you should love
Bush because Obama carried on all of his spending policies and added
more to them, except for the space program, which he has killed.”
You’re out of your mind. Not increasing the nasa budget as much as you want and killing nasa are not the same thing. We’re transitioning from public to private space exploration, I’d think as a fiscal conservative you’d be jizzing in your pants about that.
“If
you’re on welfare you shouldn’t be having kids or getting married. I
didn’t get married or even engaged until I got enough of a raise to
support myself. I have not had sex once in my life. That being said,
we have police and the 1st ammendment to protect us from cime. Also,
more jobs can open up if we have a more business friendly environment.
But you know what, I have my own plan, so maybe I will blog about it.”
I have no idea what you’re talking about as far as marriage, and guess what, people who have kids *become* poor. Especially when 2 trillion dollars evaporates from the economy and they lose their job, savings and pension at the same time. And the first amendment isn’t magic, it does not magically prevent crime from taking place as a result of systematic, extreme poverty.
You are living in a fantasy world.
Prosecuting a criminal costs the public *vastly* more than giving them some food. Plus you can sleep at night.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - in my opinion, Civil War had more to do with the issue of state’s rights vs. nation’s rights. i think any issue could have set it off, but slavery was the most relevant topic, especially since the UK banned it before we did.
“And Christians were leading the charge to abolish slavery.”
SOME Christians were… namely, the Quakers. there were plenty of Christians who supported slavery and often cited Biblical mythology surrounding Noah’s sons as proof that, without slavery, blacks were unable to be saved.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
“ There was never a time when everyone loved slavery and hated black people. If you were well educated you would know that.”
*shrug* i’m just judging you the way you choose to judge me
i consider someone to be a bigot if they have a desire to change what people believe, particularly through law. personally, i don’t care how much you hate gays, atheists, welfare recipients, etc. what you do in the privacy of your home is your own business. but you cross the line when you try to legislate your beliefs.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - also, i was speaking hyperbolic. you do it often enough, so i didn’t think you’d mind.
@flapper_femme_fatale - Oh you can call me whatever you want and it’s fine, but as I explained to you before, I tend to take everything you say seriously and deal with it at face value. If you said, “I want to stab you in the face” then I would think “she wants to stab me in the face.”
I have a desire to change what people believe (as do the majority of liberals) but not through law (the same cannot be said about most liberals). What I want is to split the country permanently between liberals and conservatives so that we each have our separate countries. What you people do in your countries will be fine because it won’t affect me.
Also, I don’t want to be ruled over by your people. We are different people’s, so there can be no one size fits all solution.
@agnophilo - Tithing must be optional in order for it to be tithing.
Tithing is voluntary.
Money that people are forced to pay is a tax, not a tithe.
And God only wanted a 10% tithe. Why aren’t you advocating a 10% tax?
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I do understand that Romney’s plan for a top-down repair
system but I disagree that it’ll motivate the rich to create more jobs. There
are so many variables that go into investing in the rich such as if they’ll pay
their real fair share of taxes, what fields they choose to invest in, and if
they’ll use their wealth to put their personal interests forward. Even Romney
himself used offshore storage of money to bend his taxable income. Granted
Obama’s plan has had its major short-falls. Solyndra and a few other renewable
energy companies were mismanaged and unregulated leading to a huge loss of government
money. Unfortunately whether you invest in the upper-class or young corporations,
they follow the same ideology. I would rather place my faith in funding
companies than investing in the wealthy. I would also like to disagree that you
feel businesses are afraid to expand. The recovering stock market not only
indicates industry growth, but the return of overseas investors in American
companies.
On the topic of welfare, I may not agree that we should be
giving blindly to the lower-class but it is a necessary evil to prevent
anarchy. To some extent, we will be funding the lower-class with or without welfare
due to the unforeseen rules of the world. Doctors are obligated, by law, to
treat patients in immediate need of attention whether or not they have the
means of paying for it. Obama-care fixes this problem of the lower-class
utilizing, essentially, free hospital visits. It should be noted that we are
one of the few 1st world nations that don’t have universal
healthcare (Russia and Brazil are the others). Many nations have prospered
under this practice and I feel it should be our turn to catch up.As for the issue of oil stores, this is more of a life perspective
issue. The demand for oil is always increasing and, at some point, the world
will run out. Now whether or not we elect to find and allocate our resources to
meet our immediate needs, versus biting the bullet to help our future generations
is a personal choice. I elect to bite the bullet and hope regulations are
enacted on companies charging these absurd oil prices.What is your stance on foreign policy and world relations
(war vs. no war/ increase vs. decreasing military spending)? I just recently found a job at a Biotech company working with DNA (I live in northern California). Georgia (as far as I know) isn’t a good science major hub. Have you considered moving out of state? By the way, I enjoyed your civil response as it clearly states your stand points. Thank you
@flapper_femme_fatale - Your opinion does not define actual, factual history.
You can’t just express an opinion and expect the entire universe to reshape itself.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Unless you’re a member of the “Inner Party”
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
1) Governments can issue policies & support a structure that supports/denies rights.
Having been born into a Catholic family, I understand the sensitivity of the “unborn babies” issue and won’t pressure you too much here. You’re reasonable enough to see that abstinence and contraception are good alternatives to abortion (the latter more realistic than the former, given basic human biology and our inherent urges to procreate). Something a lot of pro-lifers need to realize is that Planned Parenthood programs provide much-needed sex education and resources which help to PREVENT abortions. Romney paints Planned Parenthood’s main function as an abortion promoter, and this is why he’d remove federal funding for this program.
However, interestingly enough, Romney is supportive of abortions under conditions of rape & incest, and for health and life of the mother, an opinion which I am totally cool with. Not really sure how he shows his support via cutting funding to Planned Parenthood, but okay. Hardcore pro-lifers are okay with this? (Oh, yeah, well, it’s his own personal decision, and so that’s okay…. even though it isn’t okay when a liberal says the exact same thing, because that’s taking away the rights of unborn children…).
Childbirth is a serious, energetically and physically taxing event. Many women have died from complications and infections while giving birth. You don’t need to have a uterus to realize this in some-way is a women’s health issue. Even Romney sees this. Kind of.
2) True, some politicians do more damage than others. I agree with your attitude that hard work and sacrifice gets to you to better places. With that in mind, some “damage” seems more like taking-one-for-the-team… the “team” being future Americans who will benefit from today’s good investments and innovation. Quick-fix solutions that will lower gas prices today won’t take away from the fact that our population continues to grow [=more drivers + more plastic products (made of oil) + more consumers of food which is grown & transported via fuel-powered machines, etc...]. Supply will still be depleted, and high gas prices will just come back. More than one way to gain energy independence.
Taxes for things you feel aren’t necessary are a bummer, but I think most people can agree that roads & infrastructure are good. Food for children born into poor households is good. Federal funding for education is good. Grants for innovation and research for sustainable technologies and sustainable agriculture are good. Federal programs to ensure clean drinking water and air that’s safe to breathe. People need to realize there’s more than just up-front costs to things they love/hate.
3) Don’t get me wrong, I think the ideals and framework set by the Founding Fathers are awesome. The original anti-tax sentiment was toward the British, who were abusing their government power in more ways than one (trial without a jury, soldiers taking over homes, for cutting-off trade with other parts of the world, etc.). Hence the Declaration of Independence, which includes the statement of our inalienable human rights that a government should protect. Then came the US Constitution, which was written for several purposes we’re all familiar with: to (a) Form a more perfect Union, (b) establish Justice, (c) ensure domestic Tranquility, (d) Provide for the common defense, (e) Promote the general Welfare, and (f) Secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
(=future generations)
.
My immigrant grandfather watched his little sister die of malnutrition. He faced a lot of discrimination here, but he became a US citizen, worked less-than-glamorous jobs and fought for the US Army for 25 years –risked his own health and life– to ensure his children didn’t have to live with the same struggles and poverty he did. My family raised me to love this country and truly appreciate the opportunities the United States presents. I worked hard in school and will probably get a job making more money than my parents one day. And I’ll probably get taxed a lot. Less money? Yeah, it can be frustrating. But I feel I have no right to complain after what my grandparents faced. I don’t hate the rich. I am the rich. But complaining about taxes for programs that support what many US citizens believe are basic human rights sounds a bit like entitlement to me.
Anyway, I assumed that you were educated enough on my listed issues to realize the infringements of inalienable rights the Founding Fathers spoke of, and so I didn’t feel the need to explain each of my points and how Obama & Romney’s policies are related to them. …Let me know if you’d like me to explain them to you in excruciating detail, I guess? :-/ But I do love lists!AppleLateFragrantMercuryOak woodland
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…Sorry it’s late here I’m getting tired. What was I saying? So yes. Governments can issue policies & support a structure that supports/denies rights. At the consent of the governed, of course. I personally don’t consent to a government that denies basic human dignity to the poorest of the poor, simply because it’s their own bad luck for being born into bad socioeconomic conditions. Or that denies equality to women and gays for simply being born with the “bad luck” of being a woman or gay. Or that doesn’t think of the future generations (post-Presidential term) and the impact of sticking to our old habits. Not saying Romney personally agrees to this, but these are how his policies and statements on his campaign website are translating out to me.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - One, in biblical times there were more than one “tithe” that people had to pay if I am not mistaken, as well as being commanded to forgive debts that were not repaid after a certain time period, not harvest a portion of their crops so the poor could have it etc, etc. And two, as I said each generation debates what should be done publicly vs privately and as the world changes taxes or tithes change too – a nuclear submarine costs a bit more than a sword. And an million dollar MRI machine costs more than blood letting. I am saying that the principle of setting aside some of the resources of a community for the good of all is nothing new.
@agnophilo - Who cares?
We live in the modern age with a modern government system.
And Progressives have commandeered that modern government system to oppress its people by redistributing wealth.
As I have already proven, wealth redistribution is stealing on a massive, society-wide scale and is therefore government oppression, not social justice.
Your argument that the Medieval Church committed oppression therefore it’s okay for the American government to commit oppression is absurd.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Putting the same words into my mouth you did before.
And a modern society cannot exist without taxes, so you want us to become a country like somalia with no government?
@agnophilo - Your absurdity is your own. Blaming me for stating your absurd ideas succinctly doesn’t solve your problem.
Be more clear, or change your ideas to a more rational variety.
@DrummingMediocrity - I did, realized it had been covered and was unnecessary, so removed it. Self-editing at work. Sorry for leaving you on a cliffhanger!
@agnophilo - Sorry for the delayed response. A flat tax of about 10% is not going to tax anyone to death, and as you know the government also gets revenues from sales tax. I am also poor, and I already pay more than 10% of my income in Federal taxes alone, more than that if you include state taxes. It’s bullcrap.
Yes let’s collapse the government down to a much more manageable size. If they stick to military, space exloration, and interstate highways then they could get by on a fraction of the budget they are using now. http://www.economicnoise.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/fedspending1.jpg
I won’t beat this to death because I already made statements about it in my welfare entry, but if we cut immigration and deport illegals then jobs will open up for the welfare crowd, and if anyone tries to break into my house I’m ready for them.
@agnophilo - Bush was popular for dealing with 9/11, but near the end of his 2nd term not so much. If he were then Barack Osama would not have been able to win based on calling his opponent “McSame.” The whole party got lampooned because of Bush.
Except that not really. Our space program is nearly gone and China is making plans to establish their own moon colony. The moon should be the 51st state, not part of the PRC.
And where is the money going? Higher taxes = less jobs, and we both know that so many people on welfare are having kids. Look, I’m not on welfare but I have been an down and outer for most of my adult life. I didn’t even get engaged until a few months ago and only after my boss raised me from $10/hour to 14/hour (which is still meager BTW). I wanted to get married when I was 24 or 25 but I didn’t have the money so I didn’t. That’s taking responsibility. Now I’m going to be getting married at 31, and probably not having kids until 35. It sucks, but it’s called personal responsibility. If you can’t feed them don’t breed them. Not everyone needs to reproduce. Some times people fall on bad times after already having kids but most of the time people have kids before they have all their stuff in order. Also there are a lot of single moms who are like that because they spread their legs. See I have little sympathy because I did things right. I kept my pants zipped and will continue to do so until I get married. If I can do it anyone else can do it.
I’m not sure what this last comment was in reference to. We are giving stuff, and welfare money is not personal giving or doing a good deed. Do you seriously think you are doing a good deed with your tax money (if you pay taxes)? Maybe the government just gave all the money you made to the Muslim Brotherhood. Once it leaves your pocket you have jack all to do with where it goes.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
“Sorry for the delayed response. A flat
tax of about 10% is not going to tax anyone to death, and as you know
the government also gets revenues from sales tax. I am also poor, and I
already pay more than 10% of my income in Federal taxes alone, more
than that if you include state taxes. It’s bullcrap.”
So raising taxes on people who don’t make enough money to live as it is won’t kill anybody? There’s a reason someone who only makes 5k in a year doesn’t pay federal taxes.
“Yes
let’s collapse the government down to a much more manageable size. If
they stick to military, space exloration, and interstate highways then
they could get by on a fraction of the budget they are using now. http://www.economicnoise.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/fedspending1.jpg“
Yeah, no education, no scientists, doctors, engineers, our elections determined by even less literate masses, no social safety net so everybody who is living hand to mouth is immediately homeless and starving if they get laid off, and good luck improving your situation or even surviving a month given that most of the major charities in the united states are federally funded. No public transportation, no clean drinking water, no subsidized cheap utilities, no disaster relief – hell in your calculation there’s not even a justice system. I could go on all day. In summary, “no civilization”.
“I
won’t beat this to death because I already made statements about it in
my welfare entry, but if we cut immigration and deport illegals then
jobs will open up for the welfare crowd, and if anyone tries to break
into my house I’m ready for them.”
High unemployment is the result of the recession which was caused by the actions of congress and financial institutions, not some guy making 4 bucks an hour picking our crops. Not to mention most people on welfare DO have jobs, their pay just hasn’t increased (or has decreased) since the end of the great depression.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
“Bush was popular for dealing with 9/11,
but near the end of his 2nd term not so much. If he were then Barack
Osama would not have been able to win based on calling his opponent
“McSame.” The whole party got lampooned because of Bush.”
Yes, barack osama. You’re not a racist shitbag at all.
And that he eventually became unpopular is irrelevant to my point.
“Except
that not really. Our space program is nearly gone and China is making
plans to establish their own moon colony. The moon should be the 51st
state, not part of the PRC.”
There’s your paranoid notions, then there’s reality.
“And where is the money going?
Higher taxes = less jobs, and we both know that so many people on
welfare are having kids.”
One, higher taxes does not mean less jobs, we had more jobs in the 80′s when romney would’ve paid six times as much in taxes than he’s paying now. That taxes for the rich mean fewer jobs is simply a lie meant to get poor people to vote against their own economic interests. There are countries with far more subsidies (college is completely free for instance) that have lower unemployment than we do. The government spending a dollar stimulates the economy and creates just as much demand as a company spending a dollar.
“Look, I’m not on welfare but I have been an
down and outer for most of my adult life. I didn’t even get engaged
until a few months ago and only after my boss raised me from $10/hour to
14/hour (which is still meager BTW). I wanted to get married when I
was 24 or 25 but I didn’t have the money so I didn’t. That’s taking
responsibility. Now I’m going to be getting married at 31, and probably
not having kids until 35. It sucks, but it’s called personal
responsibility. If you can’t feed them don’t breed them. Not everyone
needs to reproduce. Some times people fall on bad times after already
having kids but most of the time people have kids before they have all
their stuff in order. Also there are a lot of single moms who are like
that because they spread their legs. See I have little sympathy because
I did things right. I kept my pants zipped and will continue to do so
until I get married. If I can do it anyone else can do it.”
And if you get married, have kids and then lose your job, there should be no option left to you but suicide – because things always go to plan in life, right? And by the way the rate of teen pregnancy is lowest in blue states and highest in red states. Because social conservatives in red states oppose comprehensive sex education and attempts to make birth control available to teens because no matter what you tell them some teens will have sex anyway (and if you know anything about psychology, telling a teen not to do something makes them ten times likelier to do it anyway). Red states take more in benefits and blue states pay more in taxes than they receive – red states take and blue states give. Red states are producing most of these pregnant teens who can’t support themselves and you act like it’s a blue state thing.
“I’m
not sure what this last comment was in reference to. We are giving
stuff, and welfare money is not personal giving or doing a good deed. Do
you seriously think you are doing a good deed with your tax money (if
you pay taxes)?”
I don’t go around bragging about it, but yes I think paying taxes is part of our civic duty and I think it’s moral to support programs that help people. Especially since, while it may not be as gratifying to me to pay taxes and never meet the people those tax dollars helped, taxes and government do vastly more than churches and charities ever could. As I said if you looted every church and charity in the US it wouldn’t even do what medicare does for seniors.
“Maybe the government just gave all the money you made
to the Muslim Brotherhood. Once it leaves your pocket you have jack all
to do with where it goes.”
Or maybe they put it up your mom’s ass.
Since we’re making nonsensical random comments instead of having an intelligent conversation.