October 16, 2012
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We are severely and hopelessly jacked if Obama wins
According to the polls I have been seeing it looks like this is going to be a close race. To me it’s unbelievable that this can even be close. It’s simply unbelievable. Obama is he greatest human disaster ever to hit the US. I’m going to break this down as simple as possible.
Are you better off after four years of Obama? Think about it:
I know I’m not. I’m earning about $5000 less in net income than I was in 2007 and I don’t have medical. But forget about me. Are things better overall after four years of Obama? Is anyone better off after four years? Given the facts I don’t see how anyone can want for more years of this man.
I used to think that Obama was the greatest stumbling dolt ever to go into politics in the US and possibly in the world, but lately I have come to see him as a saboteur. This man is doing everything he can to damage and weaken the US.
John P. Holdren, the director for the White House Office of Science and Technology has stated on the record that he wants to de-devlop America.
“A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States,” Holdren wrote along with Paul and Anne H. Ehrlich in the “recommendations” concluding their 1973 book Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions.
These people are thoroughly contemptuous of the United States. Listen, one of the first things Obama did after he got elected was cancel the Constellation program. This goes to show where science, progress, and the future of the United States fits on his priority list. He has thwarted every attempt to gain energy independence. He cuts our military while giving aid to our enemies. To support this man you must either hate America or you must be wilfully woefully ignorant. There is no other option, it’s either one or the other.
I am not an evolutionist, but if Obama wins I am going to become a supporter of Eugenics. If Obama wins this time after four years of this garbage then a strong and profound case is made for Eugenics. There is no way around that. The fact is this man, like every other left wing totalitarian tyrant, requires masses of stupid people to flourish. That is not anything new. Emperor Chin, the first Emperor of unified China, also relied heavily on mass ignorance. He was one of the first autocrats, possibly the first, to carry out both a book burning and a purge of scholars. He did it because he had an advisor who told him that intelligent people are more likely to rebel against totalitarian rulers. If you ever read the book of Lord Shang you can see how it is essentially the BC version of “1984″ in terms of MO and reccomendations.
But purges of intelligent people and limiting access to knowledge are common all throughout history. They did it in China, they did it in the USSR, they did it in Cambodia, they did it in North Korea. There are two ways of doing it, one is to kill people out right, and another way is to use dysgenics.
Lisen, I’m not trying to be condescending here, but this is an important message that everyone needs to understand. The purpose of welfare is not to help anyone, it is nothing more than a two pronged attack on America. There are generations of people on welfare, and rather than breaking out of poverty they stay in it for generations and multiply. If you incentivise a behavior you will get more of it. Incentivise success and you get more success, incentivise failure and you get more failure. The Democrats use welfare to both buy votes and to increase the numbers in that particular voting bloc. They also bring in masses of unskilled workers from 3rd world countries to increase their voting bloc. The result is a net increase in unintelligent or less intelligent voters. Again, I’m not trying to be condescending but I cannot think of any gentle way of putting this. If Obama wins the case for Eugenics is made. It’s made.
Anyone who is older than me and even semi-aware will say that the ideological difference between Republicans and Democats has grown into a yawning chasm. The difference did not used to be so profound, ever in history, and this is taking into account the fact that the Republican party has been appropriated by neo-cons. Why is this happening?
I was born in 1981, and since then I have noticed a vast change both in the ideological separation of the parties and their constituincies, and the campaign methods used, as well as campaign methodologies. Obamaphone!? “Wake the f*** up!”? Get serious. What is this? Middle school? I have never seen such a vast bloc of ignorant and dependence minded people before. The amount of people on welfare and government assistance has skyrocketed. Back in the 80′s it was about one third (still too much), and now it is nearly half. The immigration and welfare policies have really caused this bloc of people to grow between now and then. In another 30 years the US may no longer even be recognizable if these policies continue.
If Obama wins, you can probably forget about having any more elections after that. There may be elections, but if he wins he is going to cut loose without limit because it will be his second term, and he will bring in so many immigrants from Mexico that our votes simply will not be able to overcome them. If the immigration from Mexico ever slows down he will flood us with immigrants from Africa and the Islamic world. He will do it. Another four years of Obama and you may as well forget about going to the ballot after that. Forget about it, because your vote will make no difference.
Think about it.
Comments (38)
Whoever becomes president will have become so by the will of the American people.
God does not interfere with free choice. So if Obama becomes president, not even God will help us.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - So maybe I should change the title to “we are so screwed”?
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - You have a way of grossly understating the situation.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - OK check it now.
You are a wordsmith par excellence!
I don’t think our vote will make any difference anyway, because I don’t really see Romney as a champion to defend the People. What I saw happen at the RNC pretty much sealed that for me. BOTH of them are/will be controlled by the same puppeteers. The America I know and love is dead. Most people just don’t know it yet. I am ashamed of this generation.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - True, but He will tell you who he’d prefer if you ask.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Haha, thanks. My fiance has told me I should go into politics. What do you think?
@mtngirlsouth - You know for a while I thought about just not voting ever again because the Republican party has gotten away from their traditional platform, but my grandparents talked me back into voting. What they said was that we aren’t voting FOR Romney we are voting against Obama. If you vote for anyone other than Romney or simply don’t vote at all the you’re giving Obama a vote, because no one on that side is going to not vote because Obama isn’t 100% of what they want. Every Muslims and most every queer is going to get out and vote for Obama. The queers don’t care that Muslims are voting for Obama, and the Muslims don’t care that the queers are, because at the end of the day his constituency is the constituency of darkness and decay. There is a saying in India: Whether the leaf comes to the thorn or the thorn comes to the leaf, the is still pierced. Think about it.
That being said, the way I see it is that we have the choice between socialism-lite, or heavy communism with extra mustard and mayo. Which one is going to smother us more?
@Kris0logy - Well we know which one is more in line with God’s principles, but there is always the chance that God will let the other guy win in order to hasten the end of things. Anyways, I’m going to do an entry on where the US fits into prophecy soon.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - The way *I* see it is we have a choice between socialism from the red puppet or socialism from the blue puppet. As stated, America is already dead, it’s just that most people don’t realize it yet. The very fact that so many have laid down and accepted the notion that they will settle for choosing between the two choices that they were given and were made for them is proof enough of this fact.
The reason why the credit rating was downgraded was S&P saw the Tea Party faction in Congress blocking bipartisan efforts to bring American spending under control, not wanting to raise the debt ceiling (which had happened every single other time it had been requested) so America could pay its bills and decided that if those trends continued, America wasn’t a safe bet. There was next to nothing that Obama could do to prevent that, and if you blame Obama for that then – by corollary - you must blame Bush for 9/11/01 or Clinton for the Oklahoma City bombing. The principle is the same.
What other two wars out of the three are you referring to? Iraq is finished, Afghanistan is in the closing stages of American withdrawal and there are no other troops in any other conflicts worldwide. There are no further American or even NATO involvement in Libya, the international community had abandoned Syria, and – so far – Iran is being isolated diplomatically and economically but there are no military operations there yet.
The unemployment rate is back to 7.8%, and even if you disagree with the methodology or want to use a different set of statistics, you need to compare apples to apples and not apples to oranges.
There is a lot of unfounded scaremongering in this post, especially towards the end of the post when you bring in immigration – immigration trends are shaping down, especially among Hispanics.
You also have to consider the alternative. Will Mitt Romney make the situation better, or worse? If his economic plan is implemented – the $5 trillion in tax cuts with associated loopholes closed, there will still be $1 trillion gap that will have to be filled somehow – most likely on tax increases on the middle class, which even the six Republican-leaning think-tanks admit in their analysis of the plan. Otherwise it’s going to be added to the deficit and debt.
For the third year in a row, the federal budget’s deficit was reduced – next years by over $2 billion dollars. Still not enough, and no where near enough to close the $1 trillion deficit that’s in place, but it’s still a start.
To help improve America’s situation and standing, it’s going to take bipartisan support, agreement, and yes, compromise, to fix the issues we’re facing. Denigrating and insulting the other side, asserting unfounded half-truths to fit a certain ideology, and blocking any and all measures proposed by the other side just because that side proposed them, even if they were originally your own ideas, is self-defeating and will result in the ruin of this country far quicker than any one man possibly could work on his own.
Oh, and why the complete focus on individual social welfare? Why not as strong and vitriolic attack on corporate welfare that dominates the federal budget today?
Why is one seemingly OK, and the other is not?
I agree.
Hmm. You left some things off such as the real unenmployment. The hope is that the Presidency and the congress will go Tea Party. If some real conservatives with backbone get elerct we may be able to restore this nation to a large part of its foundation. Admittedly in DC this is hard to stay the course. This is why we need to actively pray for the election of Godly people.
From what I have seen of the American people, I think Obama will win just because they want their handouts. History (classes) would have us believe a different story. I don’t know if people were different, or if this is just more lies to garner patriotism and willingness to be cannon fodder. Perhaps it was a simple matter of leeches dying and/or not being able to leech. I really don’t know.
I’m young. Ish. I was born in 1990. Perhaps my view of the Democratic party was inaccurate as a child, but it seems like they’ve become very anti-responsibility over the past few years. Perhaps it started while Bush was in office? Maybe before, but I don’t believe it was always that way, as I know the type of people my parents are and I know they used to be registered Democrats.
As far as an annual budget, it’s a joke anyway. Obviously. Or we wouldn’t have been so in debt to begin with. The government would budget deficit and then couldn’t even stay within the budget, from what I’ve been told.
You sound a little paranoid. Having said that, I did tell my husband the other day, “I’d rather be paranoid than live in North Korea”. We were discussing the government and politics when I said it, even.
Regarding one of your comments, please don’t imply that everyone who is gay only cares about that one issue. It’s simply not true. There are two ‘major’ groups that I have heard of that are ‘gays for Romney’ or whatever. Even if they want to be able to get married, it’s certainly not unreasonable for them to feel there are bigger things at stake here.
@cmdr_keen - If Obama was serious about cutting the deficit then he would cut spending. He could start by cutting aid to countries like Pukistan, and Egypt. The fact is he has done nothing but escalate spending, and raising the debt cieling is not a solution. You don’t borrow your way out of debt. He could also slash social spending, especially entitlement spending, but won’t. Why? Reasons are mentioned in my journal entry.
We are still in Iraq and Afghanistan. I haven’t heard anything about Libya in a while, but we’ll see what happens there.
Where do you get the idea that employment is under 8%? Even the liberal media isn’t saying that, but you also have to keep in mind that the way those statistics are gathered sometimes also excludes people who have given up looking for work.
Under Mitt Romney things can begin to recover because more economic opportunities will exist. Have you ever played any of the Sim City games? You know what happens when you raise taxes in the games? I do because I have played 3 of those games and experimented all around with tax rates. When you raise the taxes you get some increased revenue for a short time, but then it drops off and pretty soon you end up losing revenue and going into deficit spending just to keep your city running. So there is a limit to how much you can raise taxes before you end up with diminishing returns. Why? Because businesses shut down and people leave. Of course under Barack Osama’s plans probably many of the big corporations which you guys hate will still survive, but many of the small businesses are going to bite the dust. I work for a small business. What do you think I will do if my boss goes out of business? Nothing. I will be jacked, becuase there will be nothing here for me. I will have to go overseas for work (as I told two other people). So I will go overseas and stay there for as long as necessary, and if I can’t get work back in the US then I’m also not going to retire to the US, which means the US government will get no tax revenue from me. It also means that they will get no tax revenue from my boss, or his business. So that’s less revenue for them, and that’s just one example. Of course, if they put us out of business then the fact that they will lose revenue across the board and eventually collapse will cause me to shed about as many tears as Chuck Norris.
So what I’m saying is, under Romney the tax cuts will pay for themselves, because more people will be entering the work force. Under Obama, there will be tax hikes AND increased spending. This man is a mad spender, and so is his party, and most of the stuff they spend money on is either detrimental or useless.
I don’t understand how anyone who has a non-government sector job could want Barack Osama to win. One way it’s about ideology, because I despise Islam, homosexuality, the UN/world government, anti-semitism, and entitlement/dependence minded people. On the other hand it’s about survival, because I don’t want to lose my job. I had some job offers for work overseas but passed them up because my family is all here, and I want to settle down and have kids in a good strong family setting. But if Obama wins, then maybe my boss will go out of business, which means I’m out of a job. If I’m out of a job then I will blame Obama and his zombie like supporters, and my anger towards them will be great. If that happens, I’m overseas, and I’ll make 100% the government doesn’t get a single cent of my money because I got driven out of my own country by them.
As for my contempt for welfare, I think I outlined my reasons pretty well. I don’t like being held back by lazy people, and I can’t feel sorry for them as long as they are wilfully being parasites on hard working people. It’s one thing to ask for help from family, friends, charitees, and churches, or to humbly accept help from voluntary givers. It’s entirely another thing to demand it from government, and in the meantime be a parasitic burden on society. Those people I cannot stand, and the fact that the Democrats want to raise taxes on my employer (and others) so that they can increase the amount of people on welfare in order to buy votes just makes me despise them as well. I also consider the Democrats to be parasites, and to me they are about as good and useful for society as bot flies.
@cmdr_keen - wow, compelling arguments. Thank you for your strong defense of our president.
Preach it! :)
@cmdr_keen - Sorry, I forgot to mention corporate welfare. I am 100% against Federal bailouts, moreso than Obama, who bailed out GM. Now if you’re talking about tax cuts, then that’s not really welfare. So let me be clear, I’m against the government giving anyone money in exchange for nothing/handouts. There are really only 3 things that I want government to do:
1) Military
2) Interstate highways
3) Space exploration and colonization
I definitely want the government out of education, 100%.
@CuddlyKat - Thanks, I will!
@New1E13_15 - Thanks, yes the focus of this entry was fairly limited. Of course there are other factors as well. You know, what I heard is that 30 million Christians stayed home during the last election, and Obama won by 10 million votes. Even though Romney is not perfect I definitely believe that we need to get out and vote for him. Neither candidate shares our religious beliefs but 1) Romney is much closer and 2) he is at least a pragmatist, while Obama is a globalist-socialist whose loyalties are elsewhere.
@mtngirlsouth - Well what’s your plan then? I’m open to suggestions and ideas. Also I have no problem with the idea of secession.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - My plan is to hunker down and get ready. My plan is for my family and I to survive with as little pain as possible. There are too many stupid people for any real change to happen until they are half starved from their stupidity. Maybe at that point there will be enough people ready to take the stand needed to make any real change. It just won’t happen now. Too many people who are too lazy, too stupid, too much normalcy bias so they cannot comprehend how dire their situation actually is. They won’t be ready to do anything about it until they feel it. And by then it may very well be too late. This thing may not be fixed for generations.
@VampireOfSeduction - Well one thing is that the culture has undergone some drastic changes over the course of US history, and has gotten away from the traditional values which made us strong and stable in the past. Values and beliefs have a lot to do with how people act, without good values in place you just have bare human nature, which is intrinsically selfish even to the detriment of others.
I seriously hope Obama does not win, and I’m praying that he doesn’t, but I definitely believe his changes of winning are good for the reasons you have given, and for the reasons I have given in this entry.
I think that FDR and LBJ did a lot to steer the Democrats toward socialism, but the hardcore ideological gap which we have today is relatively recent. Most of that garbage happened in my lifetime. Compare Clinton to Obama. Clinton wasn’t good, but the difference between him and Bush was not so vast and gaping as what we have now.
I may be somewhat paranoid, although definitely not Alex Jones level paranoid, but if I have any paranoia it is strictly on a personal level, out of legitimate concern that my employer might go under. We already lost a lot of business because of policies put in place by the Obungle administration. Since I’m going to be getting married soon I want to make sure my job survives, and that I don’t have to be in the place where I’m unemployed and looking for work again. But I think when it comes to issues that are bigger than me I prefer to identify as a cynic rather than paranoid, or as a realist. I don’t believe that people have a natural tendency to “do the right thing” or a natural tendency toward altruism.
I have to say, for someone so young you have a lot of sense and maturity. If you hadn’t said you were born in 1990 I never would have guessed you were so much younger than me. You seem to have a really firm grasp on the issues.
@mtngirlsouth - Well that’s one way to go. Actually I made an argument once about hunkering down and turning the nail on it’s head so the point is up when the hammer falls. I think you probably understand what I mean by that. Honestly, if we have a 1984 style society or if the NWO takes over then I would rather both me and my family be shot quickly.
You know it may be that things will not get better until Jesus comes back, but let’s see what happens.
I am usually lean Democrat but if I was old enough I’d vote Romney JUST to get Obama out of there….A LOT of people I know that ARE old enough to vote are saying/doing the same….
@Want2FitIn2Fat2Fit - True, and if you look at any active internet polls you will find that Romney continually leads.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Dammit. I had a reply but xanga bombed out on me or something and ate it.
There’s a lot about politics and economics that I do not understand. Honestly, yes, I could Google, but I don’t because it’s all so damn depressing and it can be hard to sift out the facts when everyone has an agenda. But with as much as I don’t know, I certainly do know that providing incentive for people to not work, and to have children they cannot support, is no way to run a country. (“Screw the working class” isn’t a very good motto, either.)
I was raised with a strong sense of responsibility and a solid work ethic. I graduated with my naivete largely intact, somehow. Then I got to know my now-husband’s family better, and I got a job in medical billing, and then every freaking female of childbearing age around me started popping out welfare babies. That’s an exaggeration, but it certainly has felt like the truth at times. Now it’s my sister’s graduating class.
I’ve known many people on Medicaid and/or food stamps, and I can’t pity any of them because they ALL either did it to themselves, and/or milked it after they got on. (There might be one exception, but I’m not sure if they would have afforded the child on their own even if he hadn’t gotten laid off.) Sure, they all have their sob stories, reasons, excuses, whatever. “Well, I paid taxes for a year.” “If I’d waited until we could afford a child, I’d have been 25 by then!” “It’s my right to have kids!” “I’m too good for that job.” “I have a degree! I shouldn’t have to work.” “Just go ahead and have kids, that’s what it’s there for.” I’ve even heard such people claim to be supporting themselves and their families.
Regarding paranoia, I’m not usually sure where the line is between being prepared and being a little nuts. When people start talking about gun control, I feel the need to stock up on guns and ammo. lol I tend to somewhat expect the worst, but it seems like there have been many claims throughout history that “if so and so gets elected, we’re all doomed”. I’m not always sure what to think, but I do know I’m worried. If I seem like I’m fighting with myself, it’s because I somewhat am. I think I’ve held onto some of my naivete as a coping mechanism, so I like to think this country can get its head out of its ass and get back on track.
I’m sorry this is so long. This is kind of where I tend to hop onto my soap box.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
Unemployment: I’m not sure where you get your news from, but unemployment has been falling steadily for the past 2 years: LINK 1 (Bureau of Labor Statistics, used consistently and accepted by almost everyone) & LINK 2 (Gallup; respected polling company, among others).Like I mentioned in my initial comment, even if you disagree with the methodology that leads to these statistics, the fact remains that the same methodology has been used going back as far as at least Ronald Reagan, who instituted the last significant change in the way labor figures are gathered and used.
Tax rates: It’s been a while since I’ve last played Sim City, but I understand your premise. I actually discussed tax rates with my German economic history professor and he introduced me to the Laffer Curve, which is what you’re referring to, I believe. True, significantly raising tax rates will reduce revenues and result in some businesses going out of business, but the proposed Obama plan won’t significantly change the position on the curve so that it begins to negatively affects revenues. The Romney plan removes too much revenue that closing loopholes and cutting spending – what little there’s left after you remove the programs he won’t cut or give more money to – can’t match.
The 47%: I use this term as you obviously buy into Romney’s position that the 47% – i.e. those on welfare/don’t pay income tax – are irresponsible and lazy. That’s far too broad a stroke to paint, and neglects so many ancillary situations. Even the Romneys themselves were on welfare for a period. Why do you assume that I hate large corporations? Those subtle ad hominem attacks aren’t helpful. You’re asserting that current Administration policies are hurting “small business,” but apart from anecdotal evidence, it’s not readily apparent. I fundamentally disagree that the majority on welfare are lazy, or unmotivated, or are satisfied that they need assistance. It’s not true, I don’t buy it, and the majority of Americans don’t buy that. In my opinion, unless you’ve been on welfare (and the majority who end up on welfare are off within 1-2 years) you can’t understand the mindset that leads people to make that decision. I don’t think it’s an easy one to make.
Three Wars: American troops aren’t on the ground in Libya. That’s a fact, and thus you can’t call that a war. Combat troops are out of Iraq, although there is a 50,000 man “transitional force” still deployed, but for all intents and purposes the war is over: LINK. So that’s two out of three that aren’t wars. The Afghanistan war is still ongoing, though the reduction of combat troops is happening and by 2014 Afghanistan will be in a similar position to Iraq with a small transitional force still in place.
Economic Plans: If the candidates themselves – Romney and Ryan – can’t say how their tax cuts will pay for themselves, how can you? Six Republican-leaning thinktanks that have investigated the Romney-Ryan plan have admitted that taxes on middle income earners will go up in the best-case scneario of the Romney-Ryan plan, and even then that’s with the elimination of every single tax credit and tax break the majority of income earners are eligible for – such as the mortgage interest deduction, the education credit, the alternative minimum tax, etc. The net effect of that is taxes on most individuals will go up, while the high-income earners will see decreased tax burdens. That’s all well and good, but there’s been no evidence since similar concepts were introduced by Ronald Reagan that the extra money business accrue ends up in the hands of employees through either higher wages or more jobs. Hence why the earnings of the top CEOs exploded from roughly 300 times that of the average employee to over 700 times today, while real income levels remain flat if not in decline. It just doesn’t work.
Budgets: I’m aware that the Democratically-controlled Senate should pass a budget resolution, and has failed to do so in the past three years. I don’t know all the facts, so I’m not sure why they haven’t, but its the current situation. That said, government spending under President Obama is coming down – he’s the second-smallest spender, behind Eisenhower, adjusted for inflation: LINK 1. That’s why the federal deficit, although large, has seen reductions these past two-three years. The reason for the perception that Obama is spending more (seen by the increasing federal debt) is that revenues have not kept up with rate of spending. As I’ve highlighted above, that’s where the Laffer curve comes into effect: what tax policy will be best to ensure maximum revenues from the maximum number of people? That’s a question I’m not sure of the answer. It’s too easy to say, “tax the rich!”, because that doesn’t work. At the same time, reducing taxes will also not necessarily work if they are cut too much as overall revenues can’t be met. The previously referred to Economics professor would make the Bush-era personal tax cuts permanent and lower the corporate rate from it’s current 25% to 15%. That’s a proposal I could support. I don’t think extending or expiring the tax break for those earning over $250,000 will have that much of an effect.
Spending Cuts/Role of President: It sounds nice to be able to blame the President for things you don’t like, especially if he’s a President with the party designation opposite that which you support. However, there’s very little the President can actually do. He could propose a Budget, but it’s up to Congress to pass the Budget (as I’ve highlighted, the Democratically-controlled Congress has not, for reasons I don’t fully understand). The President can propose foreign aid cuts, or foreign treaties, but again, it’s Congress who ultimately passes them. There are too many lobbyists to allow the drastic reductions in spending that are needed; hence why every President has struggled to reign in spending – even fiscal hawks such as Ronald Reagan struggled, and there’s no proof that Romney won’t continue this trend.
Conclusion: So, is Barack Obama a perfect President? Of course not; they don’t exist. He could be better, Romney could be better, but on the balance of evidence that I’ve seen, I have far more faith in Barack Obama to continue the economic recovery we’re on – be it slow and steady – than Mitt Romney with a economic plan that has nice soundbites and platitudes but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
@VampireOfSeduction - I hate it when that happens.
You know I believe you 100%. I worked in a grocery store as a cashier when I was in my teens. I had to help so many women on welfare and WIC. With one exception they were all fat, usually grossly obese with elephant looking legs. They would have one little hand basket with the food items they were eligible for with WIC, and then a huge basket full of other stuff. Only one of those women was thin. Out of all the foodstamp people they were all fat except for this one family of Eastern European immigrants. Now, I would like to point out that if you’re fat you’re no starving. They are fat because they’re irresponsible, which is also probably why they are poor, and getting pregnant while poor. But as for the immigrants, I was only 17 or 18 at the time, but I was thinking it was weird that they were on foodstamps. Why are we letting immigrants suck on the government tit? I don’t care where they come from or what race they are, if they aren’t going to contribute anything when they get here, and if they are going to be a drain on the system then they should not be allowed in. Immigration and welfare are both in serious need of reform. No immigrant should be eligible for welfare or any kind of government handout, ever. We don’t need anyone coming here who just wants to freeload. A new policy like that would also deincentivise a lot of immigration.
I think we should sterilize anyone who is on welfare, male or female. IF they don’t want to be sterilized then they can get off welfare and carry their own load. Not having kids before 25 is nothing. My wife probably won’t have any kids before 35. I would like to have had kids at a younger age, but for the last 5 years I wasn’t doing well enough to get married or support a family. After I get married I’m still probably going to wait for her to have some stable work before we start cranking out the kids. Yes it’s less than ideal, but it’s called sanity and personal responsibility. If you can’t afford kids then don’t have them. You know, I’m 31 and I have never gotten anyone pregnant (actually I never had sex, but still), and I’m only just now getting married. That’s not fair to the chidren, or to everyone else who you are stealing money from to pay for your foolishness (by “you” I mean a general you not you personally, I know you’re doing things right).
@cmdr_keen - Evenso, there are two facts which you need to consider. 1) The unemployment rate is still higher than it was when he came into office. 2) Those rates do not account for the people who are no longer receiving unemployment benifits. All the people who have stopped looking for work will not be on there. All of the college students who failed to get work will not be on there, and all of the people who are under-employed will not be there.
If even one business closes down as a result of his tax hikes then that is one too many, especially if it’s the one I work for. But putting that aside, you don’t know how much he wants to raise taxes. He is always trying to instigate class warfare with his speeches, so it is likely he will carry that through in his policies if re-elected.
As I stated before, the Romney plan will generate revenue because more people will begin paying taxes. More jobs = more tax payers. More taxes on employers = less jobs, which means less tax payers.
Romney’s 47% comment did nothing to change my views on welfare people. My opinion of them was always low. Back when I was in high school I worked as a cashier at a grocery store for a while, and I had to help so many of those people. All of them were fat, except for one family of immigrants (who should not have been allowed in the country in the first place), and all but one of the women using WIC were fat. I don’t mean love handles or a slight bulge, I mean sloppy fat and Baron Vladimir Harkonnen fat. You know, the average welfare recipient is wealthy compared with the average person in India. If you go to India having a refrigerator is a sign of wealth. The poor people there have a mud hut and a stagnate pond for bathing in, and the only reason they have a mud hut is because they literally build it with their own hands. White liberals think the welfare people in the US have it so hard, but they still have electricity, regrigerators, TV’s, running water, and they are still able to get fat.
If you want to see what the majority of Americans think then go read yahoo news (which is liberal), and look at the comments under the articles. They tell more truth than the articles do.
Liberals are always complaining about big business, villifying them, and using them as villians in movies and books. They insist that CEO’s are overpaid, but the fact is that most liberals, and people in general, do not possess the raw intellect required to do what a CEO does. Obama sure as shamrocks doesn’t. But forget about them. I said that small businesses will be hurt by Obamas policies because he is going to raise taxes on them, and they don’t have the same level of stability or a fraction of the income that big businesses do. If any business loses revenue, they are going to have to make cuts. Just like if you lose revenue you are going to have to make cuts. Let’s say the government decides to take 50% of your paycheck, or even 40%. Without any increase in your level of income you are going to be hurting. You will have less spending power, which means less eating out, less going out, less buying clothes, videogames, whatever. Your next car is not going to be as nice, you aren’t going to take as many vacations, your kids might not be able to go to as nice of a college as you originally planned. Etc. etc. I think you get the point. The same goes for businesses, especially small businesses. You can raise taxes but their operational costs aren’t going to magically go down. If they are just barely getting by then a tax increase could be the nail in the coffin.
I don’t know how you can say Obama is a small spender. He is spending like a madman, and much of the inflation we have now is his fault: http://economy.money.cnn.com/2012/04/04/obama-how-we-could-get-to-6-unemployment-rate/
Entitlement spending could be slashed, as could all foreign aid, and the budget could easily be met even with an increase in military spending and space exploration. Also, the tax cuts will generate more revenue over time. Right now a lot of businesses are too scared to expand because they don’t know what Obama will do.
I also blame Congress. The Democrat party is leading the country down the road to destruction. I want Obama gone, and I want as many Democrats gone as possible. I don’t want any tax money going to fascist terrorist bastards like the Muslim Brotherhood, or those savages in Pukistan. The way to save things is to cut spending and lower taxes. No more foreign relief aid, and no more welfare, foodstamps, WIC, etc.
Obama is the greatest human disaster that has ever hit out country. Everything he does makes America weak, as does everything he plans to do. How is he going to slash our military while giving money to countries and people groups who hate us? Why is he killing our space program while giving money to the Russians to transport our people? It’s all crap. My little sisters dog would make a better president than Obungle.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
(1) Unemployment: Link 1 - shows unemployment in January 2009 (Obama’s inauguration) at 7.8%; hits a peak of 10.0% unemployment in October 2009, then gradually comes down to the current (September 2012) rate of 7.8%, using the exact same methodology through all presidencies since - based on the graph – 2002.Here’s another group - LINK 2 – that estimates unemployment at 7.4%, with other figures for underemployed and payroll-to-population. So your assertions aren’t backed up by the figures. In February 2010, underemployment was measured at 19.4% and is now 16.3% – trending down. The only figure that is cause of concern currently is the participation rate, which started February 2010 at 63.3% and plummeted to a low of 41.5% before improving, and stablising if not increasing at 45.2% currently. By all means, it’s not perfect, nor ideal, but it’s a start and the trends are going in the right direction.
(2) Class warfare. That old chestnut. Both parties want to engage in it, if that’s your opinion. When corporate profits are reaching all time highs, CEOs are earning more than 700 times the wage of the average company worker, wealth is being concentrated and controlled by a smaller and smaller group of people, and real wage incomes are flat – something needs to be done to correct the situation. If you want to call that “class warfare,” go ahead.You’re entitled to that opinion. It’s not one I share.
(3) CEOs & Big Corporations: I never said I had a problem with CEOs earning more than the average person; they’ve put in the hard yards to get into that position. However, when they jump from earning 300 times the wage of the average company worker to 700 times the wage of the average company worker without an equivalent increase in the real wages of their workers… something is out of kilter, particularly with record profits. Most companies work to earn profits; no issue with that. But when the majority of work is done by the workers, they should be recompensed proportionally.
(4) Spending: I didn’t say that Obama was a small spender, I said that the rate of spending had decreased to the lowest rate since Dwight Eisenhower was president (adjusted for inflation). Still, I agree that the federal government spending is way to high and difficult decisions are going to have to be made if serious debt and deficit reduction/elimination is going to take place BUT spending cuts alone won’t bridge the gap: revenues need to be increased somehow, either through marginal tax increases or elimination of tax breaks and/or credits. Policies which President Obama has embraced but Mitt Romney shuns. I point, again, to the Laffer curve, which highlights the relationship between tax rates and revenue returns. Particularly in an era when tax revenues have not kept pace with expenditures, both ends of the equation have to be addressed: spending cuts and increase in revenues.
(5) Congressional Leadership: I also agree that expectations must be managed and all individuals need to make smarter decisions with respect to their own finances, and for the most part, the majority of Americans are doing that as private debt has decreased markedly since 2008. However, this has little to do with government policy and I don’t think the government – any government – can do anything proactively to get individuals to spend. All they can hope to do is create the right conditions that may make spending conducive, but it’s a perfect situation to introduce the “lead a horse to water” analogy. It’s not only Democrats in Congress who have contributed to this situation; Republicans share the burden as well. Eliminating one party isn’t going to help, and will lead to further problems and eventual oligarchy that’s worse for everyone bar those in the oligarchy. The key, as always, is compromise and that is something that is harder and harder to come by in such a partisan atmosphere exacerbated by intense personal hatred for the mere existence of an opponent. Until it changes, I think that there’s little hope for improvement at all.
(6) Foreign Aid. There was nothing that I could find that indicates Americans – at least the federal government – funded the Muslim Brotherhood. You have any proof for that assertion? The best, simplistic breakdown of US foreign aid can be found here: LINK 1, which shows some funding going to Pakistan among 25 countries who receive some form of US aid, be it economic or military assistance. It totals $15 billion, or 1.5% of the 2010 federal budget (the most recent figures I could find). Removing this may help, but there are bigger issues at stake than foreign aid right now. I believe in foreign aid as it helps promote American national security more than it acts as a detriment. President Obama also wanted to ensure that the vast majority of aid is used as intended and is not siphoned off for nefarious purposes. As to it’s effectiveness, I can’t say anything to that effect.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Well, for a very small family, there is some level of truth that it can be cheaper to buy pre-packaged foods than buy the ingredients, which would be healthier. But, my husband’s was one of those fat families on welfare. They had a back yard. They could have grown their own vegetables, and his grandparents had fruit trees, so IDK what their excuse was. His mom sat on her ass all day; she certainly could have gotten out there and gardened. I know that isn’t true for everyone (we don’t have a yard and when we tried to price containers and such to try to grow food on our back patio, we found that it wouldn’t have been economical unless we end up stuck in the city for longer than planned), but it is true for some.
As far as immigrants, I know that some tend to stay in clusters of people from their own country so, unless you
know
otherwise, it may have been that the family you saw was even born here and got fucked over or something. As unsympathetic as I am, I can also speak from firsthand experience that sometimes life takes a shit on people who don’t deserve it. (Though I do agree our immigration policy is shit. And I have no idea why we’re paying for anchor babies.)
Which brings me to my own embarrassment in that when I was younger, we did accept what we thought was charity. I later learned, to my further shame, that some of it
may
have been government reimbursed or funded. It’s a really long story, though. The biggest part of it revolves around the fact that my husband found himself with a work-related spinal injury at 19, and while
we
truly did just want to get him fixed and back to work, they dicked off and screwed around, and ultimately fired him for it (illegal, yes, but companies get away with it anyway). At one point, we discussed moving into our car because we weren’t
sure we could afford food for long, and our savings was (almost?) drained. (Luckily, the worst of our economic problems didn’t last long, and we never found ourselves homeless.) He wasn’t released for work (doctors, hearings, physical therapy, surgery, etc.) until almost three years after he got hurt.
They
drug out every single step. He spent many days barely able to move, and he was still in so much pain on his ‘good’ days until he had his surgery. He will always have some pain, though.
As far as sterilization, I wouldn’t say it should be automatic, not with the way the economy is now, that’s for sure. For now, I’d be more inclined to say, “You get pregnant once, you lose all financial aid as soon as the child is born, and you’ll probably lose the kid, too.”
WHY does xanga keep breaking up italics!? Grrr
@VampireOfSeduction - It’s something to do with submitting a comment. If you go back and “edit” your comment, you can fix it. I’ve had the same issues.
@VampireOfSeduction - Hey sorry about the delayed response. Yea I have seen a lot of welfare people, so it looks like we’re in complete agreement. A lot of them are just fat and lazy, and they think the world is responsible for them. Everyone is responsible for them but them. That is why, try as hard as I may, I can never feel sorry for those people. I also had the privilege of going to a few different countries, and one of them was India. If you want to see what poverty is you need only go to India. Our poor people live like kings compared with how their poor people live. Over in India having a refrigerator is a sign of wealth. Most of the middle class people there still do laundry by hand. How many poor people here have to do that? The poor in India are not fat, and they don’t have running water, and they don’t get free food or money. What they have is their clothes and a mud hut, and the only reason they have a mud hut is because they literally build it themselves, and they don’t really own the land they build it on. India has a huge problem with squatters, but the government seldom enforces the law on that.
Well I know that Mexicans will do that, but these people were some kind of Eastern Europeans, so chances are they were actual immigrants and not anchor babies that grew up in a bario raised by La Raza. Anyways, you didn’t know what you were accepting so there was no shame in it, and you aren’t on it anymore, which counts for something.
So how did your husband get hurt? You know the way it used to be was that people in the community took care of the needy. You had charitees, churches, and family to help out. This whole idea that we need government to help has only caused the amount of poor to grow, and it has weakened the traditional support base for the needy. We need to get back to the good old days of personal responsibility and helping the needy voluntarily.
Or kicking them off when they have kids also works. I would be fine with kicking them off or with sterilization.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - My
dad once made the comment that homeless people in India would envy our
homeless because many of ours are at least living in cars, or can find a
large appliance box to stay in for a while.
Honestly, I’m not really sure how
he got hurt, exactly. Before working there, he’d never had a back
problem. He worked in a grocery distribution center. Manual labor. That
location had a 26% accident rate, and we’ve heard it went up a couple
years later. Basically, he was lifting a box, I think he had to reach in
a funny angle to get to it, and a disk in his lower spine ‘popped out’
towards his back and was pressing against nerves. He didn’t know what
had happened other than he was in crazy pain, and so he tried to finish
out his shift despite the pain, but when he went to step down off of a
pallet jack (forklift), he said it was like his leg didn’t exist and he
barely caught himself from landing on the concrete floor. I know it
sounds really dumb and like I said, we’re not really sure how it
happened, exactly, but we figure that the unrealistic demands of the job
(their rate/quota was impossible to meet and still maintain safety
requirements) had weakened his back enough and that box was the final
straw so to speak.
I agree. The handout mentality really does damage
the sense of charity. I do help out family and friends, and as long as
they’re trying to improve their situation and aren’t taking government
money, I don’t mind. But I just don’t buy into sob stories anymore.
While I’ll donate old clothes and such, or food I don’t like, I don’t
donate cash anymore. (Though some guy w/ the Red Cross helped that
decision, trying to guilt trip me at X-mas time.)