September 11, 2012
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Freedom vs. Islam
Since it is 9/11, I want us to take a moment to reflect on who our friends are, who are enemies are, and how important freedom is.
On 9/11 we were dealt an unprovoked attack by Islam which took us to war. In 1941 we were dealt an unprovoked attack by Japan, but there was one very important difference. The government of Japan had a tactical reason for attacking us while the Muslim attack was purely ideological. It has been said that they attacked us for our freedom, and that is absolutely true. Muslim societies are notoriously unfree, and the more Islamic they are the less free they are. Under Islam there is no freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of dress, or freedom of diet. Treatment of women is terrible. If a woman gets raped then she is blamed for it, and if a husband wants to divorce his wife he can for any reason. Non-believers are either killed or treated as second class citizens.
This is Islam:
Can anyone in their right mind honestly say that they would like to live under that sort of society? Also notice the similarities in mannerisms and appearance between Hamas and Hizballah to the KKK and Nazis. Similar motivations must at some point produce similar manifestations, even among different people groups. Whether it is Islam or classic Nazism, we are still dealing with groups who believe that everyone is inferior to them, who want to take over the world, and who believe it is their right to do so by any means necessary. I want to be very clear on this, Islam is the Nazism of today. Just like the Nazis of WWII, they wage war on free countries, and in their own countries they kill and imprison people for disagreeing with their beliefs. Like the Nazis, they do not really need any reason to attack us other than the fact that we are not them. So no, we did not do anything to cause the attack on 9/11.
9.123 “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you”
9.73 “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”
So I say never forget 9/11, but also never forget what Islam is all about.
That being said, let’s take a lesson from our enemies, and remember that what they have is exactly what we don’t want here. During the Cold War “In God we trust” was put on our money to further accentuate the ideological contrast between us and the unfree Soviets who trusted in big government and worshipped it as God. It may seem like a small thing, but things like that are a sign of a healthy society, meaning that we recognize the difference between us and our enemies and rather than become like them we renounce them and make an effort to stay free. I am not seeing so much of that with this ongoing war. What I am seeing is the Patriot Act, and NDAA, which have put us in the same situation where our government can nab people off the streets and detain them without trial for speaking out. If our government is going to become like our enemies then what good is their protection?
Also let us not forget who our friends are. There is one country in the Middle East which has always been on our side, one country where people did not cheer in the streets when the Muslims attacked us. Of course I am talking about Israel. Israel has been a loyal ally in spite of how some of our presidents have given them the shaft. What we need is more Israel and less Islam. Of course Obama has turned his back on Israel out of preference for our enemies, but one thing that all the Christians and Jews in the US can do to support Israel is donate to them on an individual basis. I have done this before even though I am a poor guy with very little money to spare. If we all do it then it can make a huge difference for Israel and the Middle East.
That is all I have to say on this for now.
Comments (23)
Islam is kind of like abortion. You show people the pictures and they just think you’re being gross.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - How do you wake people up?
@PrisonerxOfxLove - The funny/sad thing is that these pictures are fairly mild compared with what I could have shown.
Among other such measures, hadn’t America cut off Japan’s oil supplies prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor? [I'm not arguing one way or the other whether Japan was justified in its response. I'm just suggesting that calling the attack unprovoked is ignoring certain realities.]
And aren’t there plenty of relatively free nations that don’t draw the Islamic world’s ire? Do you think the presence and influence of American military and other parties in the Middle East (and its politics) has any impact?
@stuartandabby - Japan was using American steel and world oil to brutalize half the world. All the while they were lying through their teeth acting like they wanted peace.
Liberals, like the barbarous, genocidal Imperial Japanese did in their day, blame America for everything evil in the world.
Islam, Progressivism and Imperial Japanese fascism are all cut from the same cloth of evil.
@stuartandabby - Well, I said it was unprovoked but not without reason. The reasoning behind the Pearl Harbor attack was to demoralize America and thus keep it out of the war. Of course the reasoning was flawed and based on faulty data, but the official stated purpose was a pre-emptive strike, a.k.a. an unprovoked attack, sanctions or no.
As for Islam, you have to keep in mind that wherever they go they are at war with the people there. We are in the Middle East because of their insanity, not the other way around. Also it’s worth noting that they attacked us in the 1700,s shortly after our war of independance with England. Today we see the “death to America” stuff mostly because that’s where we are, but if you’re in Europe you see a lot of “death to Europe” stuff. Check this pictures:
http://indonesian.faithfreedom.org/~faithfre/g2data/albums/SiteGraphics/forumgallery/Ik/Europe%20is%20the%20Cancer%20Islam%20is%20the%20answer.jpg
There is war around the edges of the Islamic world. You have to look and see where the Islamic frontier is, because sometimes it is between different countries and sometimes it is within a country. This is because Islam recognizes no borders other than Dar al Islam and Dar al Harb. That is why the Muslim Sudanese are burning and killing the southern Sudanese, who are Christian and Polytheist. That is why Ethiopia and Somolia are at odds, as well as Pakisan and India. They are at war with everyone, but it is true that America gets more hate thrown at it by their population worldwide than other free countries, and the reason for that is that we are seen as an icon to them. We are one of the most, if not the most, powerful infidel countries in the world which stands for freedom. They focus on us with the same intensity that they focused on Byzantium, and for the same reasons. The Greeks and Romans did nothing to provoke them, but they were considered to be the worst enemy because they were the most powerful infidels for a long time. The Muslims did not lay off of the Byzantine Empire until it was utterly destroyed: http://www.greece.org/romiosini/fall.html
Of course they didn’t stop there. They have been at war with us and the rest of the world since then.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Well said. I agree 100%
Nicely said. Although I think had you made a post more Israel oriented you would hit that nail in the coffin a little bit harder.
Great post.
@KnightInCROATIANarmor - Thanks man. Did you hear that they attacked our embassies in Libya and Egypt? They killed our ambassador to Libya and 3 of his aids. Obama is going to do nothing about it.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - Didn’t hear those news. I try not to look for the news either couse I know it won’t be good. Crazy world we live in.
I’m sick of ignoramuses who think the 9/11 attacks were committed by evil people who just so happened to be Muslim, as if they were not connected to large-scale radical fascists whose history of bloodshed and horror dates back to their prophet of Satan, Muhammed.
@DrummingMediocrity - Exactly. I don’t understand why people keep making excuses for them. It’s their religion that makes them evil. Without islam they would just be like Eastern Europeans or Indians. And have you seen how they honored us on 9/11? Again they have attacked us. They hit our embassies in Libya and in Egypt. They killed our ambassador to Libya and 4 of his aids.
i don’t see how Islam is any worse than Christianity, or other religions. and on a personal level, Christians have brought my life more tragedy and pain than any Muslim.
@flapper_femme_fatale - I cannot compress everything they have done into a comment here. It would be better to write a book on it, and maybe I will, but not now. The difference between Islam and other religions is that it has declared an unending physical war on the rest of the world. No other religion has done that. In fact there are some people who argue that Islam is more of a socio-political system than a religion as the primary focus of Islam is geographic, political, and temporal more than spiritual. I figured from the beginning that you had something personal against Christianity, and without knowing what happened I cannot speak to your situation specifically, but here is one major difference between Christianity and Islam. If a Christian is going crazy and doing forced conversions, beating his wife, or blowing himself up in a coffee shop then he’s going against his religion. If a Muslim does those things then he is following his religion.
BTW, have you been following the news lately? The Muslims have attacked our embassies in Libya and Egypt. They killed our ambassador to Libya along with 3 of his aids.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - in the case of either religion, i don’t judge the whole by some extremists. it’s called bigotry.
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The difference between Islam and other religions is that it has declared an unending physical war on the rest of the world. ”
perhaps some Islamic fundamentalists have. but the Muslims i know personally haven’t. and, for the record, they don’t look anything like your pictures.
“but here is one major difference between Christianity and Islam. If a Christian is going crazy and doing forced conversions, beating his wife, or blowing himself up in a coffee shop then he’s going against his religion. If a Muslim does those things then he is following his religion. “
that all depends on your judgment of the religion. i see both as having the potential for hatred and destruction.
and yes, i’ve been following the news. i don’t blame Islam for the attack any more than i blame Christianity for Breivik.
I agree. Props.
@flapper_femme_fatale - Again, the issue here is that when the Muslims go crazy and kill a bunch of people/attack infidels, then they are just doing what Muhammad said. That is what their religiont tells them to do, which is why they do it.
In the case of Breivig, he is just doing something that he wants to do, not something that the Bible told him to do.
There is such a thing as moderate Muslims but not such thing as moderate Islam. I don’t trust Muslims, even the ones who seem more chilled out. They are basically a sleeper army. Check this out: http://crazyislam.typepad.com/home/islam-spreads/ There is a pattern to their movements and behavior.
@AncoraImparo - Thanks
I’ve had the picture of the woman next to the trash bag saved on my computer for years- it is so powerful.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
“Again, the issue here is that when the Muslims go crazy and kill a bunch of people/attack infidels, then they are just doing what Muhammad said.”
and like i said, you can interpret either religious text in such a way. the Bible promotes slavery as socially acceptable, and instructs Christians to stone gays. God instructed Joshua to slaughter, rape and pillage his way through Canaan. you’re a hypocrite in saying that it’s okay in one instance to blame the religion, but not the other.
and the fact that you keep saying “what Muhammad said” rather than “what Allah said” shows me how ignorant you are of Islamic theology. Muslims defer to God alone.
i’m sorry, but i simply do not share your hatred and bigotry. i find it very sad that you don’t trust people simply because of what faith they relate to. i spent last weekend at a dance camp taught by a Muslim woman. she wasn’t wearing a burqa… in fact, she spent most of her time scantily clad. she hardly even mentioned her religion. i didn’t feel threatened by her at all. i think your opinion is one of ignorance, since i highly doubt you’ve ever read the Qu’ran in its entirety OR spoken with many Muslims. all in all, i feel sorry for you.
@AncoraImparo - That pretty much sums up how they view women.
@flapper_femme_fatale - Hold on, the Bible does not instruct Christians to stone gays (Islam does!), that is the old Testament where that was done, Christianity differs from traditional Judaism on a variety of points, including both the method salvation and the execution of the traditional law. Under the old law (OT) homosexuality, beastiality, and certain types of incest all carried the death penalty. There was a heavy focus in the OT on purity and keeping the community clean, which was part of the reason why they talked extensively about diet and sanitation as well as behavior and regulation for outmarriages, etc. etc.
As for the wars, again, there was no instruction saying to rape or marry foreign women, but there was a command to kill many of the Caananites. Of course it is written that God gave the Caananites a good deal of time to reform themselves, and they refused, but that is nto the most important point here. If you want to compare the YHWH wars vs. the Allah/Islamic war you need to keep in mind that there are 2 vast differences. The YHWH wars were limited by time and geography (just a certain area was targetted), while the war of Islam has no time limit, and no geographic limit. They are to make war on all infidels in perpetuity until all infidels are converted or enslaved. Your comparison is not a valid one.
I say “muhammad said” because he is the one who wrote the Koran and created their religion. I don’t believe in Allah any more than I believe in the flying spagetti monstor, so of course I’m going to say “Muhammad said.” I don’t understand why you would object to that, aren’t you supposed to be an atheist?
Yes I have also seen belly dancers, and some of those women are very attractive, and I know how they dress. BUT, belly dancing is not an Islamic thing, it’s a Middle Eastern thing which predates Pisslam. Belly dancing originates from classic/pagan Egypt, and it is an art form which managed to not only survive Roman domination but also Islam as well. Of course if you go to any country where Sharia is the basis for law you won’t find any Belly Dancing, after all, dancing is Haram, and practicing Muslims disapprove sharply of belly dancing. Talk to some Saudis sometime. They will tell you that those people are not true Muslims. Just like many people who self identify as Christians are not true Christians.
You feel sorry for me? OK. No offense, but to me, you seem like a very stereotypical white liberal, which includes self hatred. You seem to sympathise with our enemies rather than your own people. It’s called oikophobia (Greek derived), and it is a very common affliction on the left, and it is similar to Stockholm Syndrome. People with oikophibia will attack their own background and culture while promoting and building up cultures and ideologies which are hostile towards it. Me, I’m a pragmatist, I hate cultures and ideologies which are opposed to mine. You can call me a bigot, racist, Islamophobe, homophobe, Star-bellied Sneechaphobe, whatever, but I just call it enlightened self interest.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex -
“Hold on, the Bible does not instruct Christians to stone gays (Islam does!), that is the old Testament where that was done, Christianity differs from traditional Judaism on a variety of points, [blah blah blah] “
i’m simply applying your method of reading the Qu’ran to the Bible (picking and choosing verses). and if the NT really did nullify the OT, Christians wouldn’t be quoting from it.
“They are to make war on all infidels in perpetuity until all infidels are converted or enslaved.”
here’s something from the Bible regarding non-believers:
“If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you … Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. ”
it would seem that both religions hate non-believers equally. the difference is that Christians are willing to let all of us suffer in the afterlife, whereas Islam would bring that suffering upon us now. that’s certainly more polite of Christians, but not much better morally. i view both religions with the same level of disdain.
“ I don’t understand why you would object to that, aren’t you supposed to be an atheist? “
being an atheist doesn’t prevent me from being intellectually capable of understanding a religion as its followers do. Muslims believe that the Qu’ran was written by God. since it’s their actions you’re bashing, how we interpret the Qu’ran is irrelevant.
“ BUT, belly dancing is not an Islamic thing, it’s a Middle Eastern thing which predates Pisslam.”
modern belly dancing is as linked to ancient practices as modern-day Wicca is linked to original pagan cults: in name only, and with the purpose of building a reputation. Raqs sharqi (the type of dance most Westerners are familiar with) originated in Egypt in the late 19th century.
AND, it is very much an Islamic “thing”. dancers are often hired for Muslim weddings. that’s precisely how the instructor made a living in Egypt in the 1970s.
“You seem to sympathise with our enemies rather than your own people.”
my own people? i don’t care about someone more simply because they’re white or Western. those to characteristics mean nothing to me. i care about a white American i don’t know as much as i care about an Egyptian i don’t know.
Muslims are not my enemies. hateful bigots are. and you definitely qualify as one. your ideology is opposed to mine, in that you wish to demonize an entire culture for the actions of a few. you are not one of “my people”, in the slightest.