August 24, 2010
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Abortion
Since abortion is a perennial issue, I wanted to take a moment to write out my position on abortion and address the opposition as thoroughly as possible, but first it is necessary to discuss the concept of good and evil. Most people feel a sense of indignation against the Holocaust, even people who actually admire Hitler. In the case of the latter they typically deny that the Holocaust occurred. Sometimes when engaging in discussions about morality and human nature I often mention various depredations of ancient and modern people groups. Some examples: The Assyrians used to cover their siege craft with human skins and put meat hooks into prisoners. Ancient near eastern cultures in general used to rip open pregnant women and watch the mother and child die. I have many more examples of depredations, both ancient and contemporary, but the point is that most people feel a sense of indignation or revulsion when they encounter such things. Liberals argue that there is no such thing as objective morality or moral laws, and that “morality” is determined by consensus. If that is so then why do they feel a sense of indignation when they hear about the Assyrians? The Bible tells us that God has written his laws into the human consciousness:
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans 1:18-19.
14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Romans 2:14-15.
The reason people feel a sense of indignation is because they have an innate knowledge of the laws of God, which were programmed into them. Without this, morality as a concept could not exist. Things would not be defined as “right or wrong” but as expedient vs. inexpedient or efficiency vs. inefficiency. There could be no concept of certain behaviors being a moral offense. For example, if I were to tell someone that taking their shoes off prior to walking out of their house is so zarnash then they would have no idea what I’m talking about. They might try to frame “zarnash” within the range of concepts they are capable of understanding. They might assume that I’m talking about health or safety, or an obscure fashion trend, but they would have no idea what I was really talking about because it’s a word describing a new concept. On the other hand, throughout all of time people have done nasty and brutal things because human nature has an element of evil in it, which is inherently at odds with the laws of God. This is why people often feel conflicted, and probably also why people who commit acts which are spectacularly atrocious often go insane.
The arguments in favor of abortion fall into three basic categories: 1)Choice: Women should be able to do whatever they want with their own bodies. 2)The baby isn’t Human, it’s a Fetus. 3)Legality & Consensus: Abortion is legal which makes it acceptable. 4)Unwanted: The child will not be able to have a good life given the circumstances so killing it is more humane. Now the arguments:
1) Choice:
The issue of abortion is not about “women’s liberation” and opponents of abortion are not “anti-choice advocates” like some of the liberal news networks are now calling us in print. On the contrary, we definitely support a woman’s right to make her own choices no matter how stupid they might be, but that freedom of choice does not extend to the life of another human being who has done nothing wrong. The choice was the decision to have sex in the first place. No one should be forced to have sex against their will, but having sex is how babies are made. One can avoid pregnancy by timing their sexual activities, or putting something over the man’s penis so that the sperm cannot escape. However, the best way to avoid pregnancy is to avoid sex. Sex was made for marriage, and marriage creates an environment which is suitable for child rearing. The best thing to do is avoid having sex until marriage, and avoid marriage until it becomes economically feasible. By following those basic steps one can insure that pregnancy is never an inconvenience. Becoming pregnant is one of the risks involved in having sex, if one is not prepared to get pregnant then one is not prepared to have sex. “But I have to have sex!!!” No, sex is not a necessity, you have to have food and water but no one dies from a lack of sex. I am not arguing that there should be laws preventing people from having sex, but there also should not be laws protecting people from the consequences of having sex.
As for women being able to do whatever they want with their bodies, I agree with that. I do not support paternalistic legislation, the point of a legal system is to protect people from others not from themselves. However, the baby is not an extension of the mothers body. It is a unique individual from the moment of conception with it’s own genetic code. It is true that the baby is dependent on the mother but the same is true after birth for a good many years. So the liberal woman can have as much sex as she wants, get tattoos, a tongue piercing, shave the back of her head, cut herself, have sex until she has to wear a diaper just to keep from leaking, commit suicide, etc., but she doesn’t get to make those kinds of decisions for another person.
2) Not Human:
Words like “fetus” and “zygote” were created in an attempt to dehumanize the unborn baby. There were no equivalent words among ancient cultures, which were much more honest about murder than the modern liberals. Liberals claim that the unborn child is “just a lump of cells” because they know instinctively that murder is wrong. That is why it is essential for them to dehumanize the baby, and it is also why they get so angry whenever they see actual photos of abortions. The fact is that the unborn baby is both alive and human. If it were not alive it would not be growing. Babies are made from the genetic material from their parents. Half of the genetic information comes from the father and the other half comes from the mother. Upon conception that material combines and reshuffles to create a new individual. Human DNA only contains the information to code for the production of more human DNA. Every living thing reproduces after it’s own kind. No humans have ever given birth to a goat or a camel. At conception the new baby does not contain the genetic information of a goat, which suddenly becomes human later on. It’s human from the very beginning. Furthermore, the central nervous system is the among the first things to form. Some liberals will argue that before the brain begins to form there can be no consciousness, but that statement does not come from personal experience or scientific study. For an adult human we do know that no brain means that no one is home, but one question science cannot answer is whether or not consciousness exists as a product of the brain or whether the brain is merely the housing. We know that neural patterns are formed over time and through experience but they can also be formed in the complete absence of external stimuli by exercise of the imagination and thought process. There is definitely a will and mind that exists independent of external stimuli. People are born with unique personalities even though they have had no exposure to the real world. But back to the issue at hand, even though the CNS is among the first things to start forming, at conception there is no CNS. However, at conception and throughout the earliest stages of development cells in the body are generalized rather than specialized, and have the potential to become any kind of cell. Given that, it is entirely possible that consciousness can reside in the generalized cells in a dormant state. If there is any chance of sentience it is best to afford killing the organism until there is concrete proof to the contrary.
Here is an actual photo of an unborn baby at seven weeks:
Here is an aborted baby at seven weeks:
Small and defenseless, but still human. Here is a baby at eight weeks:
Here is an aborted baby at 11 weeks:
Here is an aborted baby at 22 weeks:
Abortion advocates will be offended by these images because they don’t like being reminded of what it is that they are doing. They want to think that they are aborting the babies before they begin to take on a humanoid form, but the fact is they are committing murder.
3) Legality and Consensus:
Liberals often cite legal rulings as moral justification for abortion, but legislation is not what determines whether an action is right or wrong, moral or immoral. Either morality exists or it does not, if it exists then it exists independent of human opinions, but if it does not exist then no amount of legislation can make it exist. Morality DOES indeed exist as evidenced by the fact that people naturally classify and qualify things as right or wrong, and by the fact that most people will be put off by these pictures.
As for consensus, that is simply a mob movement. When the Mongols were traveling about the world, mowing down entire cities and civilizations, taking away the cattle, the skilled workers, the attractive women, and imposing a heavy tribute on the people they left behind the general consensus among Mongols was that what they were doing was OK. However, the general consensus among Russians was that the Mongols were bad. Consensus can be motivated by moral outrage, but just as often it is used as a balm to salve the conscience of individuals who are going along with actions they would otherwise find morally objectionable.
4) The Child is Unwanted
From a technical perspective the argument that the child is unwanted or will not have a good life is moot, but since it comes up so frequently I will address it briefly. Many if not most people in the world will not have a good life, and for many people who must suffer the wrath of God for all eternity it would be better for them if they were never born. HOWEVER, it is not up to the legal system or individuals to make that determination. Also that does not negate the fact that a baby is being killed, nor that it is murder to do so. It is still murder even if the child is spared a miserable life, and murder is wrong regardless of the intentions.
The fact is, liberals want to kill their children simply because having a child is an inconvenience for them. The child is an inconvenience because of the financial burden and/or because being pregnant will mean downtime during which it will become difficult to continuously engage in sex. Killing people because you deem their existence an inconvenience is not justification. Hitler thought that the Jews were an inconvenience and that they were less than human. He had no objective scientific basis for classifying them as less than human any more than the liberals have for unborn children. It is the same mentality that rules in both cases, dehumanizing people which you consider to be an inconvenience on psuedo-scientific grounds and then killing them off. It is also worth noting that more babies in the US have been killed through abortion than Jews were killed off by the Nazis during the Holocaust.
The Nazi Holocaust shown above, the modern Holocaust shown below.
Abortion is murder, and it’s wrong. To see some actual footage from an abortion follow this link: http://www.caseforlife.com/WMV-high.asp










Comments (15)
I’ll start respecting the pro-life cause when the proponents start caring about the fetus outside of the womb as much as they do inside. Start working to support the women who have these unwanted pregnancies. Help promote a better foster system. Fight for child health care. Remove some of the stigma of being a single mother. Make birth control more readily available and teach proper sex education.
@GodlessLiberal - Most Christian Conservatives pay tithe and offerings, which goes to maintain the church but also goes to help out charitable organizations. A lot of money is spent on missions and helping out the poor. My parents and my sister do work for Rescue Atlanta (you can look that up), and my dad gives lots of money to his church and to private charities. There are lots of Christian outreach groups and missions for the homeless. there’s usually at least one metro ministry in every major city. The thing about being a Christian conservative is that you help others with your own means and not through using money appropriated from others against their will (tax money). Giving of yourself vs. giving of others. Our strength is in God not in government.
As for stigmatization, that’s not something that can be changed overnight. I think that most of the time weather changes and people keep making the same mistakes. God can change people’s attitudes but they have to want to change.
@GodlessLiberal -
You don’t have to respect me or what I believe in. All I ask is that you respect human life.
And yes I have given up countless hours and money for many of the causes you mentioned. Not all pro-life proponents are hateful, doctor murdering, arsonists.
Like JM said, we don’t care what other adults do with their bodies. I believe that adults should have the right to smoke even though it clearly has adverse health effects. As long as those individuals take personal and financial responsibility for their choice to smoke and not expect someone else to pay for the consequences of their actions. This is why I am against abortion. It’s not right to make someone else pay (In this case, pay with their life) for their decision. The someone else in this case is of course the baby who is both innocent and blameless in whatever circumstance led to their conception.
I am all for child protective services. If an adult is abusing their child, even though it is their own child, an authority needs to step in and intervene. I think most people will agree with this. If you see your neighbor trying to hack their 5 year-old son to death with an axe, everyone would expect you to try to stop them. No sane person would just sit by and say, “Meh, I personally don’t think it’s right but it IS their child so no one should tell them what to do with their kid.” However this is the exact same response pro-choice people give if the boy was 5 years and 5 months younger.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - @PrincessPatriotII - From MY experience with pro-life advocates, you two seem to be in the minority. And if you look at politicians, you’ll see an overwhelming trend between being anti-abortion and being against government assistance for the poor. Bringing a baby into the world is a very expensive process. I just think the pro-life advocates in the government and the lobbyists promoting anti-abortion legislation should go on to promote the welfare of the child outside of the womb. I expand on these beliefs in my newest post in case you’re interested. Just remember I make these comments about the majority of “pro-life” advocates who stop caring when that life exits the womb, especially the ones I’ve dealt with in my experience.
I’m never going to know exactly what I think/feel about this, but this post was definitely emotive, if nothing else.
I appreciate the way you approach this issue.
I am anti-abortion, and while I am in complete agreement with everything you say, a lot of my opposition to abortion comes from the fact that it is so easy to not get pregnant. You can choose to have sex, and you can choose what kind of protection to use, and if that fails, there are ways for prevent pregnancy in emergencies. I think beyond that, once a child has been conceived, the choice is pretty much gone.
@GodlessLiberal - “And if you look at politicians, you’ll see an overwhelming trend between being anti-abortion and being against government assistance for the poor. ”
I wouldn’t count on politicians to be the morality of a society. Just by being a politician (a person with political power) is suspect to being anti-life by being in the government itself. The government’s agents kill people on a daily basis with the claim that they are helping society when the reality is they deliberately are not preventative of any crime (they only pick up the pieces), they sentence executions and life sentences to innocent people, and they claim that they are pro-life? I think the term that they should use is pro-baby (or soon to be baby) however, there are a rare few that are pro-life, their words and actions back it up. For example they don’t like abortion, they are anti-war, they are anti-execution.. etc etc… Please, don’t use politicians as the stance for what is actually right when they are nothing but a bunch of murderers, liars and thieves.
@GodlessLiberal - Well when it comes to conservatives the politicians don’t speak for us so much, mainly we just vote for them because we dislike the other side more strongly, and true conservatives are their own leaders. The politicians aren’t really the conservative voice. Being conservative is being against government in general, which includes welfare. The thing about welfare is that the government doesn’t generate wealth, it has to harvest the wealth from citizens by force, so if the government must have money and can only get it through appropriation it needs to keep it’s activities to the barest most skeletal minimum. Welfare is just one of the many things that needs to go. Voluntary giving is the best way to deal with poverty and want, rather than government programs that create a permanent underclass dependent on the government. I think all the major US cities have at least one metro ministry, I know my parents and sister help out at “Rescue Atlanta.” The church I went to as a kid was affiliated with this group in St. Louis run by a guy called Larry Rice. St. Louis had a lot of homeless people, one of the highest amounts in the country I think. There are also crisis pregnancy centers which exist as alternatives to getting abortions. All of these things are non-profit and funded by voluntary donations. I think it’s also worth pointing out that Obama and the Democrats are trying to reduce voluntary giving by lowering tax incentives.
@SomeoneInTheWolf - Well give it some time then. Emotive? Interesting, I was mainly trying to be as objective as possible. I hope I didn’t fail in that regard.
@Liberal_Intolerant - I agree completely. The only exception to the factors you mentioned is rape, but that’s considerably rare as a means of getting pregnant. And in any case, if any person ought to be punished for the crime of rape it should be the rapist. I wouldn’t object if they started killing rapists. It would really clean up our society a lot.
@MythicMaster - Exactly, most of the politicians are just opportunists who can’t get a real job. They just spout out whatever bullcrap they think their constituency wants to hear, while it’s anyone’s guess what their actual positions are.
I do however think that execution is a good thing.
@Ambrosius_Augustus_Rex - I think execution can only be justified if the victim’s family wants it to happen. Just my personal view on that heh.
@MythicMaster - Well I look at it this way. People like that need to be taken off the streets, so you can either lock them up indefinitely or kill them. If you lock them up then they’re a burden to society because someone has to pay for their upkeep, but if you kill them they won’t be able to trouble anyone else ever again and it will cost a lot less over the long term. Society shouldn’t have to pay for their crime(s), they should bear the entire burden themselves.
Perhaps GodlessLiberal will abort herself.
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